On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:
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> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:39:45 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:22:23 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
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>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:39 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> 
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>>>>> > Could it be the case that Casimir plates attract each other due to 
>>>>>> electrostatic forces and not vacuum energy? 
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>>>>> Of course not! Don't you thing getting rid of electrostatic forces 
>>>>> would be the very first thing any even halfway competent experimental 
>>>>> scientists would think of before he even dreamed of performing such a 
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>>>>> delicate experiment? 
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>>>>>  John K Clark 
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>>>> Experiments done on the space shuttle and in Germany (where free fall 
>>>> is simulated) have shown that dust particles accumulate due to 
>>>> electrostatic forces, thus changing the model for how planets formed. And 
>>>> if you read the excerpt from the Wiki article I posted, MIT physicists, in 
>>>> 1997 IIRC, were able to explain the Casimir effect without appealing to 
>>>> vacuum energy. AG
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>>> If the two Casimir plates are grounded there will be no electrostatic 
>>> potential between them.  Elementary electricity.
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>> I'm not sure how the MIT physicist did the experiment. I just know the 
>> claim; that he accounted for the forces on the plates without need of 
>> appealing to vacuum energy. I'll see if I can find the paper and post it. 
>> AG 
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> Try this, by another physicist:    
> Proof that Casimir force does not originate from vacuum energy    
> https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.04143  AG
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Here's his bio; a heavy dude!    
https://www.fetzer-franklin-fund.org/media/hrvoje-nikolic/   AG

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