everything-list@googlegroups.com Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:26 AM Subject: Re: The
Observer & The Existence of Reality
[Bruno Marchal]
That [in red italics at the bottom] is a bit unclear to me. At least Einstein
knew that Materialism, or the belief in a physical universe is a religious,
mystical sort of belief. With mechanism, we can formulate the mind-bod problem
into a testable theory, so let continue the testing, and let us do
philosophy/metaphysics/theology (chose you favorite name for the fundamental
science) with the scientific attitude. Bruno
[Philip Benjamin]
I recognize the difficulty here. The general tendency of the “educated” West is
to treat all and everything alike, but that is far from the reality of things
as they are, especially between the East and West as exemplified by the ballad
of Rudyard Kipling. Perhaps, Einstein had his own mystical notions of reality,
but that is distinctly different from Bohr’s Taoism. Yin-Yang has nothing to do
with particle or wave. There was no need to change the de Broglie’s
wave-likeness to Bohr’s waviness; the former is subject to an AS IF logic, the
latter is a BOTH & fallacy. Furthermore. Bohr indulged in the circular
reasoning of consciousness (of what?, of whose?) collapsing wavefunction (of
what?, electrons?, nucleons?) which collapse then creates consciousness. He had
already assigned the electrons to various predetermined “stationary orbits” or
“energy levels”. They are all already collapsed everywhere, including the
slits, into rock solid energy levels.
Let me jump here to Augustine, the architect of Western civilization,
completely ignored or detested by the WAMP. He was a Phoenician pagan
profligate. His “consciousness” was instantly transformed by an event caused by
“accidental” singing of children in a park
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestaugustinians.org%2Fconversion-of-st-augustine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826351548&sdata=NtSglu0noFHsvcIl4IqFHQR1dNeWcyMiki4W5tKt3VQ%3D&reserved=0>),
most likely unknown to Bohr who was also an indirect or incidental beneficiary
of that “quickening”. How can any science account for that?
Augustine bridged the gap between the wisdom of Athens (classical
antiquity) with the Revelations of Jerusalem (Hebrew knowledge) and with the
glory of Rome (City of God, 413–426/427, was written when the empire was under
attack by Germanic pagan tribes with un-awakened consciousness,...). He did it
by “baptizing” Platonic metaphysics, epistemology and ideas of “forms”, into
the Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) as a source of absolute
goodness and truth. If it were not so, Western science could never have
originated or developed. Bohr probably would have been practicing Lotus Pose of
meditation.
Questions of aseity, infinite regress, origin, morals, meaning, eschaton etc.
are not within the scope of any science. For Augustine and the West (not the
WAMP) the buck stopped at Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural),
not some nebulous Maya, or Moksha or Nirvana from which nobody ever returned to
tell the truth!!
Philip Benjamin
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On 1 May 2020, at 17:15, Philip Benjamin
<medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
The WAMP (defined elsewhere below) has done it again with respect to the
pandemic COVID-19. Here the observer (National Geographic) about New Zealand’s
elimination of COVID-19 is completely devoid of reality and creates one’s own
non-existent reality. That is typical of the WAMP and their captive audience of
science challenged politicians, bureaucrats, journalists etc. The physicist
Richard Feynman: “Nature does not know what you are looking at, and she behaves
the way she is going to behave whether you bother to take down the data or not.”
OK, with “you” = a human. It is less obvious with “you” = a universal number,
living in arithmetic (with or without oracles).
From time immemorial the world had survived many pestilences by herd immunity.
The West survived the Plague (Black Death), Spanish Flu (did not originate in
Spain!) and Yellow Fever, without GIGO computer models of expert “pagans” with
un-awakened, un-Augustinian consciousness!
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestaugustinians.org%2Fconversion-of-st-augustine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826351548&sdata=NtSglu0noFHsvcIl4IqFHQR1dNeWcyMiki4W5tKt3VQ%3D&reserved=0>).
I am not sure a computer can really avoid this ...
Then the tools available were only commonsense, herd immunity, change of
weather (higher temperature) etc. What is useful to about 5 million people of
New Zealand (equivalent to 0.06% of the total world population) is not
applicable to the whole world.
Science is the pursuit of truth, not the truth itself.
OK. Sure!
It is observation, experimentation, analysis, and inference. No science is
perfect, biological sciences are the least precise and perfect. Unfortunately
many politicians, bureaucrats and journalists have become worshippers of the
goddess of science.
That is what we call scientism. It is of course the opposite of science, which
is mainly modesty (and not condescendent gfke modesty, but the modesty raised
by genuine doubt and the spirit of research).
“The word science has become their ‘Abracadabra’ incantation. An un-awakened
pagan consciousness is an easy victim of scientism.
OK.
The Western Civilization is (rather was) primarily Augustinian (who was once a
Phoenician profligate and immoral pagan (Pan-Gaia-n, Mother Earth devotee) with
un-awakened consciousness). America in particular is the product of “Two Great
Awakenings” which are both historic and historical. Child prodigy Jonathan
Edwards, founder of Princeton University, was a leader of the first Awakening.
Tao, TM. Yoga, spirit-guides, witchcraft, occultism, Freudian foibles, Jungian
sorceries, voodoo etc., etc. have nothing to do with such awakenings of
reptilian, kundalini, raw, “dead”, pagan consciousness into non-pagan
“quickened” consciousness. The difference between the two is clearly manifested
/ observed in the consciousness of Tao physicist Niels Bohr and the Puritan
physicist Michel Faraday. Bohr’s philosophy was shunned by the eminent Alfred
Einstein whose favorite scientist was Faraday.
That is a bit unclear to me. At least Einstein knew that Materialism, or the
belief in a physical universe is a religious, mystical sort of belief. With
mechanism, we can formulate the mind-bod problem into a testable theory, so let
continue the testing, and let us do philosophy/metaphysics/theology (chose you
favorite name for the fundamental science) with the scientific attitude.
Bruno
Evidentialist
Philip Benjamin
CC. Journalist Aaron Gulley. Communication & Education Depts. NZ.
Definition of WAMP. The self-righteous, grubering, intolerant WAMP-the-Ingrate
= Western Acade-Media Paganism (parody of WASP). Academedia (acade-media): The
monstrous double headed hybrid of a small minority of all academics including
seminarians and a large majority of all media including the Hollywood, with
no-question-asked Marxist-like authoritarianism as their modus operandi. Based
on the works of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Ben Stein, Victor Mordecai, ex-Marxist
David Horowitz
When decoupled at death the bio dark-matter body will be relatively at a
negative energy state by -E = mC^2 where m is the dead body mass. That will be
the magnitude of the threshold external energy needed to raise the bio dark
matter body to any functional state (Physical resurrection for example). In an
early termination of pregnancy in humans, a durable and precocial bio
dark-matter twin, co-created at the moment of conception, can survive the
altricial light-matter twin.
Adapted from "Ten Implications of Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry"(ResearchGate) and
"Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit" Sunbury Press, by Philip Benjamin PhD MSc
MA
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826361542&sdata=wWmecGLQnR%2FUqE2qy7SBInrlSaE1hoeiziD9nmIcL2U%3D&reserved=0>
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpost%2FIs_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826371539&sdata=6%2Fl5Ml0dNo6%2BQThEHha3Ip9Za45aIzVFnHYr0v7MKE4%3D&reserved=0>
Aaron Gulley National Geographic. 4-30-2020
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/what-new-zealand-did-right-in-battling-coronavirus/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalgeographic.com%2Ftravel%2F2020%2F04%2Fwhat-new-zealand-did-right-in-battling-coronavirus%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826381537&sdata=uYIBvjeDGsLZ0PZMEEbbExXnY5c1bZMNKd3TndVzyQY%3D&reserved=0>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-has-effectively-eliminated-coronavirus-heres-what-they-did-right/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-us%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fnew-zealand-has-effectively-eliminated-coronavirus-heres-what-they-did-right%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826391527&sdata=psADbHkt2C19sjX6TxbkKV5OETKcJUoY8ldTiGqHdqE%3D&reserved=0>
“New Zealand has set an uncompromising, science-driven example. Though the
country didn’t ban travel from China until February 3 (a day after the United
States) and its trajectory of new cases looked out of control in mid-March,
austerity measures seemingly have brought COVID-19 to heel. New Zealand had
set a course of eradicating COVID-19 from its shores, by cutting off the
arrival of new cases and choking out existing ones with the restrictions. “We
have the opportunity to do something no other country has achieved: elimination
of the virus,” said Ardern at one of her daily briefings.
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<everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On
Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 6:29 AM
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Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality
On 29 Apr 2020, at 16:12, Philip Benjamin
<medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
No, “the homogeneity of the CMB” tells NOTHING about causality, origin,
meaning, morals, eschaton or infinite regress. It simply believes that CNB is
homogeneous, that is all. What is MORE rational? Life-less CMB is aseitous and
produce life? Or, INTELLIGENT LIFE is aseitous and create both dead matter, CMB
and life? These issues are beyond the scope of any true Science which begins
with observation and then proceed to experimentation, analysis and inferences.
That is right. Observation can refute a theory, but the theory is in our head,
and with mechanism: it is in the head of all universal number, and it is a
purely mathematical problem to extract it from there, and then we can compare
to nature to refute (locally) the theory, but thanks to QM, mechanism is
totally vindicated, up to now.
Bruno
Philip Benjamin.
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<everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> On
Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:36 PM
To: Everything List
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Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:00:35 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
What logically coherent, empirically evident, experientially valid, answer can
science or the WAMP give to the questions of aseity, causality, origin,
meaning, morals, eschaton?
Philip Benjamin
It had some impact on causality and origin. The CMB is a remnant of big bang,
which has some contact with origins. The homogeneity of the CMB tells us
something about how in a primordial setting this was all in causal contact.
The other 4 things are of course off the science chart.
LC
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<everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>> On Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality
No it is not OK. Religion is based on the idea that truth is handed down by a
divine authority. LC
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