Interesting 2013 paper. I didn't get from the paper whether the authors concluded that this coding is constituted from an emergent feature of the cosmos, given the right conditions? Is it a feature of embedded an emergent program, based on physics that acts on the chemicals, panspermia, Ufo's, God? (you know He doesn't like to be called that! -BG2) Unanswerables....
-----Original Message----- From: Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2021 12:01 pm Subject: Re: Evolution 2.0 Prize - $10 million I do not know if you have seen this paper: Molecular Codes in Biological and Chemical Reaction Networks https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0054694 They claim that in random chemical networks one can find some semantic: "High semantic capacity was found in the studied biochemical systems and in random reaction networks where the number of second order reactions is twice the number of species." I guess that they should apply for the prize. Evgeny Am 19.01.2021 um 00:58 schrieb smitra: > On 18-01-2021 18:03, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> Am 18.01.2021 um 01:01 schrieb Lawrence Crowell: >>> There are molecules that already do this. DNA and polypeptides are >>> sequences that are in effect codes. >> >> Yes, this is exactly the point by the prize. The question is to show >> how something like this could happen spontaneously. >> >> Evgeny >> > > It requires violating local thermodynamic equilibrium. I'm working on an > article and a few presentations for upcoming conferences where I explain > this in detail. This then proves that none of the current models for > prebiotic chemistry can explain the origin of life. A viable scenario is > to get to a large random organic structure forged in an interstellar ice > grain, where organic molecules at low temperatures under UV irradiation > will only interact with nearest neighbors. Thermodynamic equilibrium is > never reached, the system moves farther and farther away from this as > the reactions under UV radiation continue. This way one gets to large > so-called percolation clusters of organic molecules that have a random > structure. > > Such random organic structures look totally useless to explain the > origin of life, because what you want are the very specific molecules > that are involved in the biochemical processes in living organisms. > However, the structure of these random organic molecules is such that it > has interior structures with compartments containing large random > polymers and random interior surface structures. These can then serve as > micro-environments within which prebiotic chemistry under normal local > thermodynamic equilibrium conditions can work. With a finite number of N > structures in a compartment one will break symmetries such as chiral > symmetry at a level of 1/sqrt(N). Small molecules can escape the > compartments via pores in the random structure while large molecules get > trapped inside. > > Saibal > > >> >>> LC >>> >>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6 use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: >>> >>>> "How do you get from chemicals to code? How do you get a code without >>>> designing one?" >>>> >>>> "What You Must Do to Win The Prize >>>> >>>> You must arrange for a digital communication system to emerge or >>>> self-evolve without "cheating." The diagram below describes the system. >>>> Without explicitly designing the system, your experiment must generate >>>> an encoder that sends digital code to a decoder. Your system needs to >>>> transmit at least five bits of information. (In other words it has >>>> to be >>>> able to represent 32 states. The genetic code supports 64.) " >>>> >>>> https://www.herox.com/evolution2.0 >>>> >>> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1d9f59f9-3a1e-78fe-4c1d-c023c61cd6e8%40rudnyi.ru. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/283121640.3788222.1611190968623%40mail.yahoo.com.
