> On 16 Jan 2021, at 02:00, smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote: > > Decoherence should be irrelevant. Whether or not you (considered as some > given physical system) have measured something, should not only depend on the > entanglement between the measured system and those that belong to you.
Indeed. Bruno > > Saibal > > On 16-01-2021 00:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> The Wigner's friend experiment proves a lot less than they headlines >> hype. >> The "friends" are quantum 1-degree-of-freedom systems, so they don't >> decohere, and it's questionable to say they've measured anything. >> Brent >> On 1/15/2021 3:27 PM, Alina Gutoreva wrote: >>> "Before an idea is told, it’s never been true [1]?”-kind of >>> idea OR “levels [2]”-kind of idea? Or both [3]? I’m confused. >>> Please, don’t be angry. >>> Ally >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 22:34, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Why not assume the wf applies only before the measurement? Or why >>> not withhold judgement on a phenomenon not yet understood? Instead >>> you totally dismiss empirical evidence that no one ever observes a >>> split. AG >>> On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:18:53 PM UTC-7 johnk...@gmail.com >>> [4] wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:22 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Why do you assume that the initial observer splits after initial >>> trial when it's not observed? AG >>> For heaven sake haven't you been listening?! Because that is the >>> least bizarre interpretation anybody can think of to explain the >>> utterly bizarre results observed from the two slit experiment. There >>> is just no getting around it, if Many Worlds isn't true then >>> something even stranger must be. >>> John K Clark >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com >> [5]. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5BC6546E-8F24-4D9E-B432-23A92433AB94%40gmail.com >> [6]. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0dc3eab3-583d-2c41-d7c7-9dfc8d4f9145%40verizon.net >> [7]. >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] >> https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/ >> [2] https://t.me/decision_insights/523 >> [3] https://t.me/decision_insights/311 >> [4] http://gmail.com >> [5] >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer >> [6] >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5BC6546E-8F24-4D9E-B432-23A92433AB94%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer >> [7] >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0dc3eab3-583d-2c41-d7c7-9dfc8d4f9145%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5b9ef84b6ce585689a5c05d17bc75aa7%40zonnet.nl. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/28DD6452-F18D-4E32-A8B2-438F9CAF59E5%40ulb.ac.be.
