On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:04:07 AM UTC-7 Pierz wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 6:36 pm, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-7 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:34, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Why not assume the wf applies only before the measurement? >>> >>> >>> That’s Bohr idea. But it means that measurement are no more describe by >>> QM, and this introduces a dualism in the the possible theory of mind that >>> you need to use. The élégance if the MWI is that QM applies to both the >>> observed and the observer, again, like it has to do assuming mechanism. >>> >>> >>> >>> Or why not withhold judgement on a phenomenon not yet understood? >>> Instead you totally dismiss empirical evidence that no one ever observes a >>> split. AG >>> >>> >>> We still observe the result predicted when accepting the superposed wave >>> going through all slit. The fact that we don’t feel the split is entirely >>> explained by the wave evolution and the self-duplication thought >>> experiment. Occam razor favours the simplest conceptual explanation, or we >>> add add as many “epicycle” to favour any interpretation, up to the super >>> determinism, which I take as an abandon of rationality… >>> >>> Bruno >>> >> >> *Yeah, "entirely explained", except for the huge gorilla in the room. >> Where's the beef, I mean the energy to create those other worlds? Is it in >> the non-computable irrational numbers? AG* >> > > Another one! It’s a gorilla enclosure! 🦍🦍🦍 > *Good News! Not the Second Coming of Jesus, but that there is only one copy of YOU even if the Cosmos is infinite in spatial extent and time. I don't have a rigorous argument, but IMO the density of irrationals in the reals is suggestive. No matter the possible infinities of spatial extent and time, you'll never run out of irrationals, each one representing a Cosmos with different initial conditions, inclusive of constants. AG* > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:18:53 PM UTC-7 johnk...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:22 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> *> Why do you assume that the initial observer splits after initial >>>>> trial when it's not observed? AG * >>>> >>>> >>>> For heaven sake haven't you been listening?! Because that is the least >>>> bizarre interpretation anybody can think of to explain the utterly bizarre >>>> results observed from the two slit experiment. There is just no getting >>>> around it, if Many Worlds isn't true then something even stranger must >>>> be. >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/xsl8cSDT4M8/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/18a5ee2c-2afb-49d4-9e4e-e8ecaa207de6n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/18a5ee2c-2afb-49d4-9e4e-e8ecaa207de6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f80f6a01-0cab-444b-ae2f-c7dd94942729n%40googlegroups.com.
