On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 4:30:26 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > [*Brent Meeker*] > > “https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation” > > [*Philip Benjamin*] If nothing ever existed, nothing can exist today. “Ex > nihilo, nihil fit” (Parmenides). Laws of any kind necessarily requires the > existence of a conscious Law Giver. The logical question is: “what is more > reasonable?” DEAD MATTER producing life or LIFE producing both dead matter > and life-forms? Only a degree of rationality can be established here. > The laws are constructs of the human mind. There may be patterns in nature, and we inductively infer them as laws. The idea there must be a mind for anything to exist is silly. Where did the mind come from, and if such a mind existed there was then no true nothingness.
LC > Civilized, erudite Phoenician, profligate pagan Augustine of > Greco-Roman roots was instantly TRANSFORMED into a non-pagan and pulled the > West off Greco-Roman paganism and superstitions ( > https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine). Thus he > was the chief architect of Western Civilization built on the foundation of > the Apostolic discourse at Athenian Mars Hill (*Acts 17*) where the > Greco-Roman Unknown god was identified as the aseitous Adonai (plural) YHWH > (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the > Apostles. > > Progressive pagans with un-awakened consciousness cannot escape the > questions of causality, aseity, morality, meaning and telos by simply > evading them or assuming illogically the aseity of Dead Matter. > > *Philip Benjamin * > > > > *From:* 'Brent Meeker' Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:38 PM > everyth...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Why Does Anything Exist? > > On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <kimj...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > > What was there before there was nothing? > > > > I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, > there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of > numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define > all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a > result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Falwaysasking.com%2Fwhy-does-anything-exist%2F%23A_Story_of_Creation&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cec5e0f69aead43a3c24308d8e32a6d06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637509118637908964%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Lrh0EuaQoC0WABBOwHIKVI7SwW4TYdzZaqaqysIVp6c%3D&reserved=0> > > > But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, > number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. > The logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. Any > sensible discussion of "exist"needs to start with recognizing it has > several different meanings. > > Brent > > --. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/27d045ca-8d46-4eab-9084-3bcea523b826n%40googlegroups.com.
