This discussion is worse than establishing some propositions are 
undecidable. In those cases, at least we know what we're referring to. In 
this case NOT. If we're unable to define what we're talking about, we can't 
reach any conclusions. AG

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:54:46 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> Since consciousness is a subjective experience, how can one know for sure?
>
> LC
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>
>> Artificial Life such as these organisms:
>>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_mdJjNRPT11IF4NFyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX
>> ( https://github.com/jasonkresch/bots )
>>
>> Have neural networks that evolved through natural selection, can adapt to 
>> a changing environment, and can learn to distinguish between "food" and 
>> "poison" in their environment.
>>
>> If simple creatures like worms or insects are conscious, (because they 
>> have brains, and evolved), then wouldn't these artificial life forms be 
>> conscious for the same reasons?
>>
>> Why or why not?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>

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