On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

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> On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
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> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>>> It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This 
>>> is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to 
>>> understanding even the most minimal of things. 
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>>> There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He 
>>> and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to the 
>>> Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine 
>>> economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes 
>>> Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A 
>>> victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not 
>>> work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the 
>>> outcome does not look too different.
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>>> The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All they 
>>> did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of 
>>> various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became 
>>> the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia 
>>> ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 
>>> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world.
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>>> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no 
>>> reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. 
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>> *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one 
>> point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is 
>> anything in the universe that knows anything.  AG*
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>> It evolved.  It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of being 
>> naturally selected to reproduce.
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> Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or 
> consciousness? AG 
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> It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others.  Every hear of 
> seduction?
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> Brent
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Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing computer 
system? AG

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