Crucifixion 
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> On 24-May-2022, at 3:44 AM, Lawrence Crowell 
> <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well in this debate between Benjamin and  Samiya it makes sense that at 
> least one of them is wrong. They cannot both be right, and they are engaged 
> in one big brouhaha over this. I say that while logic states at least one of 
> these guys is wrong. a Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say 
> probability is very close to one (100%) that both are wrong.
> 
> LC
> 
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>> [Philip Benjamin] 
>> 
>>    Now, the question was “what is the science in all these that you are 
>> referring to? Point out the specifics. Otherwise no need to continue  mere 
>> notions, opinions and dogmas.
>> 
>>      The following “[Al-Quran 41:43,44,45, Translation: Literal 
>> (word-by-word)]” is not what is meant by  Prophecy in the Scriptures of the 
>> Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles: “If and when the battle between Truth 
>> (haqq) and Falsehood (baatil) is fought, it will be critical to have the 
>> ability to recognise and side with the Truth (haqq)”. 
>> 
>>     No If’s & But’s, only identifiable specifics. What is “Truth” and 
>> “Falsehood”? Nothing specific! Egypt, Assyria, Israel, Judah, Babylon, 
>> Greece, Medo-Persia, [Rome to be], Pilate,  
>> 
>>      Scriptural Example (one among several hundreds):  Luke 2: 1-4. “ In 
>> those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of 
>> the entire Roman world.  (This was the first census that took place while[  
>> Quirinius was governor of Syria.)  And everyone went to their own town to 
>> register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to 
>> Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and 
>> line of David.”  About 1000 years before Luke (737 to 696 BC), Micah 5:2 
>> prophesied: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah [not Zebulun, of Joshua 19:15],  
>> though you are small among the clans[ of Judah, out of you will come for me  
>>    one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from 
>> everlasting”.
>> 
>>        What is anybody’s hope, if Prophet Mohammad himself has no sure hope: 
>> “Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what 
>> shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I 
>> am only a clear warner.' Sura. 46:8-9 Meccan”
>> 
>> Philip Benjamin  
>> 
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>> 
>>    From: everyth...@googlegroups.com <everyth...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>> Of Samiya Illias  
>> ‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares 
>> a war by Allah and His Messenger against those who consume usury (riba). The 
>> Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury.   According to the Quran 4:159, 
>> all People of the Book will believe in Jesus…”
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM
>> To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
>> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>> 
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>> 
>> The Prophesy 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html 
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>> On 20-May-2022, at 9:01 PM, Philip Benjamin <medin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Philip Benjamin]
>> 
>> There is no science of any kind in this site: 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html The 
>> author repeatedly affirms what Koran claims for itself. That is not “science 
>> “ is defined or understood. Which science are you referring to/Math, 
>> physics, chemistry, biology?
>> 
>> Not only science, where is the “Prophecy” if any in the Koran? This is a one 
>> man book over a period of two or three decades. Even the Delphi of ancient 
>> pagan Greece had some reliable “prophecies”, but the Greeks attributed them 
>> to spirit beings (demons).  
>> 
>> That is very much unlike from Genesis 3: 15 (Messianic prophecy), to Micah 
>> 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands 
>> of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in 
>> Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting” to Malachi 3:1 
>> (John the Baptist)
>> 
>> “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: 
>> and the LORD, whom you seek” to Revelation 22:12 “Behold I come suddenly 
>> [imminently]”. That covers over 3,500 years in three different continents by 
>> over 40 different authors (prophets) of diverse backgrounds such as princes, 
>> priests, philosophers, poets, peasants, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, 
>> males & females etc.
>> 
>>      Instead of quoting sites, point out specific instances of scientific 
>> statements, or prophetic utterances. Are you claiming that these jinn and 
>> Iblis or spirit beingsare made of “invisible matter”. Stay with science.
>> 
>> Philip Benjamin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: everyth...@googlegroups.com <everyth...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>> Samiya Illias
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM
>> To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine 
>> War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem
>> 
>>  
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>> On 19-May-2022, at 7:45 PM, Philip Benjamin <medin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Philip Benjamin]
>> 
>> None of these sites quoted for Koran defense answers the basic questions:  
>> 
>> 1. What “science” if any is involved here? 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Explained in Detail 
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/explained-in-detail.html 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why?  
>> 
>> 3.  How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration 
>> (or is it hallucination?4.  What has any of these to do with human 
>> consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical 
>> and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term 
>> “American Exceptionalism” for that.
>> 
>> 5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any 
>> scientific discussion at all?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> .
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