On 9/1/2022 5:37 AM, smitra wrote:
Leading GOP politicians such as Lindsey Graham are telling lies about
the facts of this case, and FOX NEWS is helping to spread all these
lies. So, I think the current constitutional system cannot survive. A
constitutional democracy is ultimately a set of rules that everyone
agrees to stick to. Parties win or lose elections under these rules,
but they accept the outcome and will only raise objections based on
the rules, they won't attempt to circumvent the rules to get the
outcome they want.
Once a major party representing a significant fraction of the
population no longer accepts all of the rules of the system, then the
system will collapse. I think the only way to fix the system is for
the Democrats to make it clear to the GOP that their Administration
will no longer recognize SCOTUS rulings
But that is breaking the system to save it. That's the problem for the
Dems. The only way to save the rule of law is to abide by and enforce
the law. You can't save the rule of law by breaking it yourself. This
will work, but only if there is enough support in the electorate to
overcome the Reps diddling with the rules. I think there is, but the
Nov election will tell.
Brent
but will instead appoint an ad-hoc judicial committee consisting of
independent legal experts and will let that committee rule on the
cases that go to SCOTUS and stick to whatever that committee rules and
totally ignore the SCOTUS rulings.
The GOP will then move to impeach the government, but the Democrats
will be able to block any conviction in the Senate by not attending
(because they don't recognize the SCOTUS, they won't take the oath and
accept the Chief Justice overseeing the impeachment as legitimate)
which means that the quorum requirement won't be met.
The Democrats can then tell the GOP that they intent to do this unless
the GOP starts to behave like a normal party again, accepts the system
as it is and stops railing against it.
Saibal
On 01-09-2022 13:32, John Clark wrote:
Remember the big fuss Donald Trump made over Hillary Clinton's email
server? The government has 4 general classification levels ,Top
Secret, Secret, Confidential and Sensitive, there was never anything
on Clinton's server that was higher than "sensitive". For a year and a
half the government had been trying to get back classified documents
that Trump has been keeping in cardboard boxes in an unsecured storage
room at his golf club. Finally on June 3 of this year lawyers for
Trump returned an envelope with a few classified documents in them and
said UNDER OATH that after an "extensive search" that's all the
classified material they could find. However the government received a
tip (from who we do not know) that the lawyers were lying and there
were more secret documents there. So on August 8 FBI agents raided
Mar-A-Lago and after just a few minutes of searching they found one
document that was "secret" and 5 that were not only top-secret but Top
Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI); that means
documents that are only supposed to be looked at in specially prepared
super secure rooms called a SCIF, a Sensitive Compartmented
Information Facility. Mar-A-Lago had a SCIF when Trump was president
but it hasn't had one since he left the presidency and Donald Trump no
longer has the clearance to even read stuff that is "sensitive" , much
less documents marked Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information
(TS/SCI). Below is a photo taken by the FBI on August 8:
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis [1]
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