Thinking and looking things up in a database like an LLM does to respond to a human is one thing, and a bs-machine is another. Though GPT3 was fun parody music was excellent!
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 12:14 pm Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:55 AM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: Would it be more accurate to think that unless something is driven by need, as in an amygdala, it is not alive. This may be a different question than is it intelligent, is it conscious? I think that's a reasonable definition of life. Even if the need is just the need to exist and persist, which is the root need on which evolutionary forces work. I still need to know how it became conscious when just using chips and data? Would this then favor a pantheist point of view, or even panentheistic one? Can you think without being conscious, can you understand without being conscious, can you perceive without being conscious, can you feel with being conscious, can you know without being conscious? Unless you answered 'yes' to all these questions, there are some behaviors and functions which necessitate consciousness. If we reproduce such functions in a machine then we have made a conscious machine. Jason Me don't know? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 12:36 am Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:29 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: Does it really display intelligent behavior, and now you will need to define intelligent behavior with testable parameters. Do humans display intelligent behavior? How often, and how consistently? Many say crows do. This was part of my reason in hectoring JC on this. A neurobiologist tells, via research how parts of the human brain behave, and thus produce intelligence and (non-philosophically) consciousness. What part of the server farm enacts the illusion (I think) of intelligence? https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/#What_is_Intelligence According to the agent-environment interaction model of intelligence, something is intelligent if it: “perceives its environment and interacts with it in a manner consistent with achieving a goal.” This definition captures the full spectrum of intelligent behavior, regardless of how simple or complex it is. It includes creatures from worms to humans, and machines from thermostats to chess playing AIs. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2023 9:29 pm Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 12:18, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 8:57 PM Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 04:12, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: Remember no matter haw complex an algorithm it is ultimately a lot of Boolean switching acting on what ever data is dumped into it. That means that if the entity displays intelligent behaviour, Boolean switching acting on whatever data is dumped into it can generate intelligent behaviour. Boolean logic gates (and, or, not) are universal. There's no finitely describable behavior that can't be replicated by the repeated application of boolean logic gates paired with a memory. Yes. 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