Just an interesting quote. “The idea that they [measurement outcomes] be not alternatives but *all* really happen simultaneously seems lunatic to him [the quantum theorist], just *impossible*. He thinks that if the laws of nature took *this* form for, let me say, a quarter of an hour, we should find our surroundings rapidly turning into a quagmire, or sort of a featureless jelly or plasma, all contours becoming blurred, we ourselves probably becoming jelly fish. It is strange that he should believe this. For I understand he grants that unobserved nature does behave this way – namely according to the wave equation. The aforesaid *alternatives* come into play only when we make an observation - which need, of course, not be a scientific observation. Still it would seem that, according to the quantum theorist, nature is prevented from rapid jellification only by our perceiving or observing it. [........] The compulsion to replace the "simultaneous* happenings, as indicated directly by the theory, by *alternatives*, of which the theory is supposed to indicate the respective *probabilities*, arises from the conviction that what we really observe are particles - that actual events always concern particles, not waves." -Erwin Schroedinger, The Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. Dublin Seminars (1949-1955) and Other Unpublished Essays (Ox Bow Press, Woodbridge, Connecticut, 1995), pages 19-20.
> Il 21/11/2023 16:43 +01 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 3:32 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com > mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:22 PM Jesse Mazer <laserma...@gmail.com > > mailto:laserma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Depends what you mean by "couldn't be true"--my understanding is that > > > > Einstein's EPR paper was just asserting that there must be additional > > > > elements of reality beyond the quantum description > > > > > > > Yes, Einstein thought he had proven that quantum mechanics must be > > incomplete because nature just couldn't be that ridiculous. But it turned > > out nature could be that ridiculous. The moral of the story is that being > > ridiculous is not necessarily the same thing as being wrong. > > > > EPR was ultimately right. QM, as the understood was incomplete, for it wasn't > acknowledged that there as an infinity of simultaneously existing states all > of which persisted after measurement. It was assuming that measurement > somehow changed things and made states disappear and do so faster than light > which EPR authors couldn't swallow. Their intuition proved correct, there are > no FTL influences. > > Jason > > > > > > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > > https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis > > brw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3bTNE_YRgRpnmVh8rxKT01A4xtDvEPr%2BRrgE6jLmoanw%40mail.gmail.com > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3bTNE_YRgRpnmVh8rxKT01A4xtDvEPr%2BRrgE6jLmoanw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUiGBGzi2XwOfdv0OW0SM-0TUOBtPyhiZSYXfAgm9QQKrg%40mail.gmail.com > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUiGBGzi2XwOfdv0OW0SM-0TUOBtPyhiZSYXfAgm9QQKrg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1533872897.23972.1700583456959%40mail1.libero.it.
