On Fri, 13 Sept 2024 at 17:04, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 4:51 PM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Sept 2024 at 15:08, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 1:07 PM Liz R <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think that works. The idea often put forward is something along >>> the lines of self-locating uncertainty -- out of all the branches, which >>> one am I on? But that is only apparent randomness, and to get such an idea >>> to work, you need to be able to make a random choice between branches. Such >>> randomness will be intrinsic in that It doesn't come from anywhere else (it >>> is not already part of the theory). So in order to generate such apparent >>> randomness you actually need an independent source of intrinsic randomness >>> (to be able to make your self-locating choice.) >>> >> >> The intrinsic randomness arises from the fact that it is impossible to >> predict which branch you will end up in, even for an omniscient being. >> > > That is just a restatement of the traditional measurement problem. > Self-locating uncertainty is not intrinsic randomness. What is it that > selects which branch you are actually on? You need some means of random > selection which is not included in the underlying theory. You have to add, > by hand, some additional principle of randomness, such as the Born Rule. > Nothing selects which branch you will be on, since with certainty a version of you will end up in each branch. If the omniscient being predicts that you will end up in branch A, the prediction is wrong for the version of you in branch B, and if the omniscient being predicts that you will end up in branch B the prediction is wrong for the version of you in branch A. It is logically impossible to make an accurate prediction. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAH%3D2ypWuK7ZZymn8nqyBan6tPYCZQr09ak5%3D2iMU_yM%3De9%3DeRg%40mail.gmail.com.
