On 11/9/2024 3:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 11/9/2024 10:00 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 4:39:37 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 9:40 PM Alan Grayson
<[email protected]> wrote:
/>>> Why do you characterize the explanation of
the possible insufficiency of our concept of
space, a NON-local hidden variable?/
*>> Because if an event occurred 4 light years away
and happened LESS than 4 years ago and yet it still
affected you then that affect was non-local, because
that's what "non-local" means. Is such an affect
possible, does Quantum Mechanics permit it? Nobody
knows, but if I were betting I would bet not.*
/> Your first sentence requires IMO, more precision.
Please re-write it./
*No.*
>Are you referring to faster-than-SoL phenomenom?
Obviously.
You're too cocky. No. Not faster than SoL, but instantaneous.
Entangled particles are non-separable. AG
Anything faster than light is instantaneous in some reference
frame; and goes in either direction depending on the reference
frame. Which is a good reason for supposing no information can be
transmitted FoL.
Brent
That's one data point. Another is the fact that neither member of an
entangled pair has a preexisting spin before measurement,
I know you mean no fixed spin direction before measurement, but it does
have a spin because when you measure it you never get zero spin.
and that when one of a pair is measured, the other seems to know that
value is regardless of the perceived separation distance.
The the way to look at is that there was only one spin state from the
beginning, when the pair was created. They shared this value in Hilbert
space. Nothing "traveled" between them.
So it's reasonable to say we don't know what the hell is going on. AG
We do know exactly what's going on. We get the empirically correct
prediction for every experiment. It's just not a nursery story about
little balls. Five hundred years ago someone with your attitude would
be demanding to know what spirit caused the measuring instrument needle
to move. You've just gotten used to mathematical explanations involving
little balls bouncing around so you don't question Newtonian
mathematics. You need to update your intuition.
Brent
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