On 11/24/2024 4:27 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 11:04 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> He [Bell] assumes a deterministic local hidden variable theory.
/> //Which theory is that, then?/
*Ironically that was Erwin Schrödinger's quantum interpretation, and
Albert Einstein's, but it turned out they were both wrong. They
thought the universe was local, deterministic and realistic, but if it
was then it would be impossible to violate Bell's Inequality, and if
it was then quantum mechanics would make incorrect predictions in
experiments set up the way that Bell described. But the experimental
results are clear, Bell's Inequality _IS_ violated and the predictions
of quantum mechanics are _correct_.*
*So the only way the universe could be deterministic, local and
realistic is with Superdeterminism, but that theory is idiotic because
it requires you to make quite literally an_INFINITE_ number of
assumptions. *
It only requires that there be /*some*/ initial condition and
deterministic evolution thereafter. Sounds just like Newtonian cosmology.
*It's not even a scientific theory because if it's true then the
scientific method itself would be of no help whatsoever in increasing
your ontologicalor even epistemological knowledge. *
There would still be deterministic law-like evolution. Does the
existence of randomness help increase your ontological or
epistemological knowledge? According your favorite interpretation,
observing a binary event like ++++..., consistent with a Born
probability of 0.01, will leave almost all physicists with the wrong
conclusion because they will see something like ++-+--+---+-++... with
roughly equal numbers of + and -.
Brent
*It sort of reminds me of Christian fundamentalists who say that the
universe was created in 4004 BC and God made dinosaur bones, buried
them, and made them look like they were hundreds of millions of years
old in order to test our faith. It's impossible to disprove that idea
because God is omnipotent so He certainly has the power to fool us if
He wants to. But a God like that would be a real prick! *
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*John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
3sq
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