On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 10:58 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> *as you have noted every predictive theory require SOME initial > condition. * *There is a vast difference between being able to predict the outcome of ANY initial condition and only being able to predict the outcome of ONE initial condition! **It may require more calculating power than you have available** but Newtonian physics can give you an answer for an infinite number of initial conditions, and if things are not too fast or too small and gravity is not too strong the answer will even be correct; but superdeterminism can only give you an answer if things started out in one very specific starting condition. It wouldn't even make sense to ask what Superdeterminism would predict if the universe started out in some other initial condition; and if that fact doesn't scream "bad theory" I don't know what does. * *>> ridiculously bad theories, like superdeterminism, will only work if the >> universe started out in ONE very particular configuration.* > > > *> Which as you said, it must have done.* *All the other rival quantum interpretations will work regardless of which particular initial condition the universe started out at, they have no need of specifying one particular one; by contrast what superdeterminism says is let's assume the universe did NOT start out in that state, or that state, or that state, or that state and it must continue making those assumptions an infinite number of times before it finally gets to one and at last says yeah it started out in that one. A greater violation of Occam's razor is impossible to imagine. * > *> Christian fundamentalist say God is lying to me, Superdeterminism fans >> say nature is lying to me.* > > > *> Not at all. The simplest hypothesis is that Superdeterminism has > determined what the laws of physic are and that they be obeyed in every > instance. * *The laws of physics are not the problem, and determinism is not the problem. The problem is the initial conditions, out of the infinite number of initial conditions the universe could've started out in only one of them will guarantee that experimenters everywhere will always make the wrong choice when performing their quantum experiments, even when they use dice or quantum "randomness" on how to set their polarizers or Stern Gerlach magnet**s because nothing is really random. There is a grand conspiracy to mislead us; just like God misled us when he made dinosaur bones in 4004 BC but made them look like they were hundreds of millions of years old.* > *> What you don't believe is that your choices of what to do, specially > what to measure, are determined because you really, really like free > will...even though you don't believe in it.* *I don't believe that free will is true and I don't believe that free will is untrue either. I believe that free will is gibberish. It's so bad it's not even wrong. * * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* feg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1f57QJgV7ZwR_ZB3v2R6%2BtSw0QPg%3Do5W%2Bbm5Rmsgk9Zg%40mail.gmail.com.
