On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 7:06 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
* >> It may require more calculating power than you have available** but >> Newtonian physics can give you an answer for an infinite number of initial >> conditions, and if things are not too fast or too small and gravity is not >> too strong the answer will even be correct; but superdeterminism can only >> give you an answer if things started out in one very specific starting >> condition. * > > > *> Who told you that? It's not t'Hooft's theory. He just says suppose > there is no free will and no randomness, all evolution is deterministic. * > *Bullshit. First of all free will is not false, it's gibberish. And ANY deterministic theory, not just Superdeterminism, would say there is "no randomness, all evolution is deterministic"; for example Many Worlds says exactly the same thing because it is also a deterministic theory. What makes Superdeterminism unique, and uniquely stupid, has nothing to do with determinism, it has to do with the unique starting condition required to make the stupid contraption work.* * >> All the other rival quantum interpretations will work regardless of > which particular initial condition the universe started out at, they have > no need of specifying one particular one; by contrast what superdeterminism > says is let's assume the universe did NOT start out in that state, or that > state, or that state, or that state and it must continue making those > assumptions an infinite number of times before it finally gets to one and > at last says yeah it started out in that one.* * > A simple consequence of deterministic evolution, which is time > reversible.* *Brent, I assume you don't believe in the "Dinosaurs Never Existed" theory, but why not? If things are deterministic then out of the infinite number of initial conditions the very early universe could've started out in, there is one in which nonbiological purely geological forces would produce rocks that sentient creatures on a small planet around an average looking star would misinterpreted as being bones from huge reptiles that existed many millions of years ago. If Superdeterminism is a good theory then "Dinosaurs Never Existed" is an equally good theory. * > *>> The laws of physics are not the problem, and determinism is not the >> problem. The problem is the initial conditions, out of the infinite number >> of initial conditions the universe could've started out in only one of them >> will guarantee that experimenters everywhere will always make the wrong >> choice when performing their quantum experiments, even when they use dice >> or quantum "randomness" on how to set their polarizers or Stern Gerlach >> magnet**s because nothing is really random. * > > > > *In what sense is the choice wrong if it is determined by laws**? * *It's wrong because the sequence of orientations generations of experimentalists "chose" to set their polarizers and Stern Gerlach magnets at were ALWAYS the one and only one that will cause generations of theoreticians to form incorrect quantum interpretations, such as Copenhagen, Many Worlds, Objective Collapse, Pilot Wave and many more. * * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* goe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv16GUNO%3D4je28MQfOXQrVo-nuruXetWEGQ8YdfW6aQwiw%40mail.gmail.com.
