On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 5:23 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> *Nothing personal and I agree nothing is perfect, however I think that
>> Wikipedia is closer to being absolutely true in all things than you are, or
>> that I am.*
>>
>
> *> I think one should exercise a reasonable degree of scepticism when
> Wikipedia makes egregious errors, as in this case. The claim is that each
> measurement reveals a property that the particle already possessed. The
> article then goes on to say that no single trial can measure the quantity
> of interest, so they consider the average over many trials, or the
> expectation value. Unfortunately for the writer of the article, the quantum
> expectation value does not depend on the physical properties existing
> independently of being observed or measured. So the assumption of realism
> is completely spurious. Wikipedia is not a reliable source......*
>

*OK let's recap, Wikipedia is wrong, Claude is wrong, GPT is wrong, Gemini
is wrong, Bing Autopilot is wrong, and I am wrong. But you are right.
Well... Maybe, but probably not.  *

 *John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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