I think that's the first time you've ever admitted you don't understand something fully. I recommend you keep going in that direction.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 11:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness fully, then we will > know for sure what to expect after death." As of today, we don't understand > consciousness fully. > > On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > >> When you said this: "And in case we would expect happiness, then we will >> even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer." So >> instead of celebrating cancer, why not skip the painful parts? >> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 Cosmin Visan wrote: >> >>> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >>> >>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing yourself and >>>> speeding up the transition to happiness? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we were to >>>>> understand consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to expect >>>>> after death. And in case we would expect happiness, then we will even stop >>>>> finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer. All of our current >>>>> decisions are made based on incomplete knowledge of the truth. As such, we >>>>> make the decisions based on what we imagine reality to be, not on what it >>>>> actually is. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a depressed >>>>>> person, curing you of cancer will not do any good. On the contrary, if >>>>>> you >>>>>> would have died you would havd gotten a chance at happiness in the next >>>>>> life. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you know more than you >>>>>> actually do, or get a job, or jerkoff, but no more of your stupidity. AG >>>>>> * >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the definition of the word >>>>>> "useful" that you keep abusing. Let's remind you: >>>>>> >>>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>>> >>>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases happiness, so is >>>>>> useful. >>>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you depressed, so cancer cure >>>>>> is useless. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely stupid comment. >>>>>> Don't ya think that being cured of cancer is immensely happier than >>>>>> succumbing to it? AG* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you don't know how it >>>>>> function ? You just do guesswork, you give it a few kicks and maybe it >>>>>> starts. This is how present-day science works given that it doesn't work >>>>>> based on fundamentals, namely based on the working of consciousness. >>>>>> Sure, >>>>>> you can keep doing research this way: kick it till it works. And you >>>>>> might >>>>>> save a few lives. But if you were start from fundamentals, then you would >>>>>> know exactly what you were doing and you will save 8 billion lives. Not >>>>>> that it would matter at that point, given that at that level of >>>>>> development >>>>>> we will manipulate consciousness to such a degree that we will not even >>>>>> need bodies anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your philosophy, a Master of >>>>>> Yoga, an adept at "Traditional Science", author of several books, who >>>>>> claimed with great authority that the problem of cancer had been >>>>>> "solved". >>>>>> He never got cancer but died of a heart failure around age 80 in 2008. >>>>>> AG* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy often make huge claims, >>>>>> with rarely anything practical forthcoming. For example, during the Covid >>>>>> pandemic, a company named Moderna produced a vaccine in record time, >>>>>> using >>>>>> knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They couldn't have done that without the >>>>>> discovery of DNA, which no doubt required by the invention of the >>>>>> Electron >>>>>> Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do great things in the absence of your >>>>>> vague philosophy. Can you actually DO something useful, or is it all >>>>>> talk? >>>>>> AG * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that research is not >>>>>> based on fundamental ideas about reality, it will be just guesswork: Just >>>>>> try 1000 different drugs and cross fingers that one might work. Instead, >>>>>> if >>>>>> people would actually understand consciousness, they would cure cancer >>>>>> in 1 >>>>>> week. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute ANYTHING to ANY >>>>>> problem discussed here. All I read are grandiose claims with nothing >>>>>> practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just like playing World of >>>>>> Warcraft in order to get the legendary gear. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can tell your doctor >>>>>> that the pain and suffering is purely imaginary, not to mention the >>>>>> possible early termination of your life. Now, do us all a favor and cease >>>>>> posting like a fool. AG * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer research be stopped, >>>>>> and if not why not? * >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You make the classical confusion between epistemology and ontology. >>>>>> Only because you can watch a movie with Spider-Man (epistemology), it >>>>>> doesn't follow that Spider-Man exists (ontology). >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be relevant at this time >>>>>> if one very recent list member didn't think page after page of nothing >>>>>> but >>>>>> "(:>)" characters was an intelligent rebuttal, and ALL scientific >>>>>> questions >>>>>> of the form "what is the nature of X?" can be answered by simply saying >>>>>> "X >>>>>> does not exist".* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there is. Why would you >>>>>> waste time talking about things that don't exist ?* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because cancer does not >>>>>> exist? 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