On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 05:56:00PM -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > In what way is procmail "better"? You can do regex filtering with
> > Evolution's native filters too.
>
> You don't need a graphical shell to do filtering, while you're away.
> Evolution has a big problem, MUA wise, which is to try to do everything, instead of
>collaborate with existing software.
perhaps because the existing "tools" suck? Yea, maybe they can do a job
well but that doesn't mean that they don't suck. Would you be able to
teach your mom how to use fetchmail? or procmail even? heck no.
So your answer is "why not make a UI for them and fork()/exec() them
then? Because it's a totally gross hack? Because it's much easier to write
replacements that are nearly as powerful and that can also integrate well
with the client?
"Doing everything", believe it or not, is actually the only way to do
things both efficiently and painlessly for both the end-user and the
programmer(s). Don't forget that in order to be effective, the other
process has to respect the application's file locks (procmail sure
doesn't, doubtful that fetchmail does either), it has to be able to give
useful feedback to the parent application (neither procmail nor fetchmail
do that either) because users want to know that something is happening
rather than staring at a frozen window, they have to be present on the
user's system (not every system has fetchmail, procmail, and sendmail on
it), and they have to work well with the parent application - a nearly
impossible feat!
>
> Why can't someone have his mail dropped in different mailboxes?
who says you can't?
> Why do I have to wait for me to get to my desktop so I can release the megabytes of
>email?
> There you are, how procmail is better (specially combined with fetchmail).
then use fetchmail+procmail - no one is stopping you. And if Evolution
isn't running, then you don't have to worry about file locking while you
are away.
>
> > If you send me a patch, I'll commit it (assuming it works and doesn't
> > cause problems).
>
> Unfourtunately, I don't think any patch can solve that. Evo's just too directed to
>less savvy people. :)
If by unsavvy you mean people who just want to read mail and not have to
tinker for hours and hours first, then yea.
I don't think anyone could argue that I'm not computer literate, but I
sure as heck don't want to have to setup sendmail, fetchmail, or procmail
just so I can read mail.
I can't think of a single reason why the filters that evolution provides
aren't powerful enough for you. I mean, damn, I don't think that *any*
other mailer offers more filter options than we do.
Anyways, eventually we will add the ability to fork another process to do
your filtering but I'd rather add the specific functionality that you want
to the evo filters if it would be useful for a large number of people.
Jeff
>
> Hugs, rms
>
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