But why bother?  With only 40 mailboxes, you ought to have plenty of space
for a lot of deleted mailbox and deleted item recovery.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!�

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henry
Sieff
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: LOGS, LOGS more Logs

Not sure who would recommend ONLY bricks, but its not a good idea. I think
with only 40, you can get away with doing bricks in addition to normal
fulls.

The point of transaction logs (and esp. storing those logs on a separate HD)
is so if the HD that has the actual db dies, you can
1) restore from an online backup and
2) replay the transaction logs
Which brings you right back to the point when your server crashed. You may
lose one or two transactions, maybe, but that is better than half a day or
everything since your last backup.

If you have circular logging disabled (is by default in 2k3 and I think 2k),
the only time the logs get flushed is when a full backup of the store
happens. Once you get a full backup, the existing logs are unnecessary since
they have been backed up by the full.

(If you have enabled circular logging, the logs are overwritten when they
get too big, but this is a terrible idea from a DR standpoint - you are
guaranteed to lose data unless your server crashes right after your backup).

Now, with brick level, all you're doing is using MAPI to copy the messages
out of a mailbox. Its like an EXMERGE script in reverse. If you do a brick
level only, there is no actual restore possible, as such - after all, all
you have are a bunch of mailboxes, and an IS is more than just that. Since
you are not backing up the store, the backup agent can't flush the t-logs,
which should only be flushed when what you have on tape is sufficient to
return the IS to the exact state it was in when the backup completed.

Personally, I would do my full backup nightly, and leave the brick levels
for once a week. Keep your deleted items for 10 days, and you should be able
to recover from user mistakes, plus have the best possible recovery time for
a complete disaster. Somewhere out there is an in-depth rant against brick
levels. I have no doubt someone else will post it.

Henry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Jean-Paul Natola
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: LOGS, LOGS more Logs
> 
> I have selected , all Exchange mailboxes, and all Exchange public 
> folders ( not the "store"
> 
> And after last nights run- I noticed the logs didn't flush ,
> 
> The reason I do boxes is because I only have 40 , and I was advised 
> per the list, that with that small amount it was recommended to do 
> that way so the recovery (if/when needed) would be a lot simpler.
> 
> I guess I can just schedule a "store" backup on Sundays to flush the 
> logs??
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Woodruff, Michael
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:56 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: LOGS, LOGS more Logs
> 
> Are you backing up all dbs in that particular storage group? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Jean-Paul Natola
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:37 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: LOGS, LOGS more Logs
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just got a little notice that my D drive is running low on space,
> 
> It is an 18gig drive which contains the STORE which is now at about 5 
> gigs, HOWEVER my EX logs folder is almost 8 gigs, I see they stopped 
> purging at the end of December although I check my backups every night 
> and I get a job completed successfully.
> 
> This is my setup; Exchange 2003 gets backed up by veritas with the 
> FULL-database and logs (flush committed logs) to a NAS device,
> 
> The NAS then gets backed up by veritas also to the TAPE.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jean-Paul Natola
> Network Administrator
> Information Technology
> Family Care International
> 588 Broadway Suite 503
> New York, NY 10012
> Phone:212-941-5300 xt 36
> Fax:� 212-941-5563
> Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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