Mr. Anus appears to know everything, and has written many documents on
Exchange.  We should feel fortunate that he graces us with his
observations of how it should be.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed
Crowley [MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003 environment

POP is not a mail routing protocol.  It is a single client to single
mailbox protocol.  Perhaps you might want to read the relevant Internet
RFC to better understand how it works and why it won't do what you want.

The reason this works for MAPI is because the protocol supports the
redirection.  That is, the client connects to the old server, and it
notifies the client, through supported protocol elements, that the
location has changed.  Then the client updates itself and contacts the
correct server.

Exchange is not designed, and has never been designed, to act as a proxy
for other servers until the notion of a front-end server came along.
This is what it is specifically supposed to do.  If you want that
function, then buy the box.  If you can live without it, then it's your
choice.  Or quit using such a limitied protocol.  POP is about as basic
(stupid) as a protocol can be.  Of course, if you had read the RFC,
you'd have known that.

Whining about what Exchange "ought to do" won't get your problem
resolved.
Arguing with those telling you how it is won't change the architecture
of the product.  I think it's time for you to move on and troll a
different list now.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry
Ganus
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003 environment

I would not have expected anything less from you Ed.

Alas, there is hope that you could ride a bus.

Like I could have a route statement or routing group handle it...but
there does not appear to be any chauffers for such a simple task.

Terry

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&lt;[email protected]&gt;</i><br>Subject:  <i>RE: POP3 to
New Exchange 2003 environment</i><br>Date:  <i>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:54:07
-0700</i><br>My car should be able to drive me where I want to go
without me touching<br>anything.  Alas, it doesn't.<br><br>Ed Crowley
MCSE+Internet MVP<br>Freelance E-Mail Philosopher<br>Protecting the
world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T<br><br>-----Original
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On Behalf Of Terry<br>Ganus<br>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:56
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Exchange Discussions<br>Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003
environment<br><br>Why?  Once inside, the Exchange Orginization should
be able to figure out<br>who is who. It does with all other mail and
access.<br><br>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
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  &lt;i&gt;RE: POP3 to New<br>Exchange 2003
environment&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date:  &lt;i&gt;Tue, 30 Aug 2005
08:49:23<br>-0500&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;You need a front-end server to
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On
Behalf Of&lt;br&gt;Terry Ganus&lt;br&gt;Posted At: Tuesday, August 30,
2005 8:40<br>AM&lt;br&gt;Posted To: swynk&lt;br&gt;Conversation: POP3 to
New Exchange 2003<br>environment&lt;br&gt;Subject: POP3 to New Exchange
2003<br>environment&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
We
recently upgraded to AD 2003 and added<br>a new Exchange 2003 server
and&lt;br&gt;we are slowly moving each user (less than<br>300) from the
old 2000&lt;br&gt;Exchange server.  Everything works flawlessly
with<br>the exception of&lt;br&gt;users getting access to POP3 mail once
they are on the<br>new Exchange 2003&lt;br&gt;server.  The outside world
sees our internal pop3 as<br>mail.domain.com and&lt;br&gt;that is setup
on 300 different locations that rely on<br>pop3
access.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do 
have POP3 enabled on both servers. SP1 is in place.<br><br>   This is 
under&lt;br&gt;one e-mail orginization and one domain, one
forest.<br>Every other&lt;br&gt;function of e-mail between groups in
this orginization works<br>great.  All&lt;br&gt;POP3 and SMTP is being
routed to the original 2000 exchange<br>server and&lt;br&gt;then
distributed&lt;br&gt;from there.

When I try to access e-mail<br>via pop3 with a user on
the&lt;br&gt;new&lt;br&gt;server I get an error message that the<br>user
is unknown...I find this&lt;br&gt;interesting because as one
e-mail<br>orginization, it should see every user&lt;br&gt;as long as
POP3 is<br>enabled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The goal is to move all users to
the new Exchange server and<br>then remove&lt;br&gt;the old exchange
server from the environment.  Until then, I<br>need POP3&lt;br&gt;to
come into a single point and see both servers or
correctly<br>route&lt;br&gt;throughout the e-mail
orginization.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank<br>you,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Terry&
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