I'd like to forget about GroupWise...... forever!
Walt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Stefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Posted At: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:53 PM
> Posted To: exmail
> Conversation: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange
> Subject: RE: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange
>
>
>
> You'er forgetting about GroupWise 5/6. Also runs on NT and
> can scale with
> clusters, either NT or Netware.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Scharff, Chris
> Sent: September 15, 2001 1:43 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange
>
>
>
> I was thinking that perhaps they might have been talkign about Insight
> Groupware from Bynari (http://www.bynari.net/), but I find it
> interesting
> they didn't bother to go into details or specifics at all.
>
> 2 years ago I worked as part fo an implementation team
> migrating 8,000 users
> from MSMail to Exchange and from personal experience I can
> say that there
> are a whole host of numbers which have been left out of this
> "TCO" analysis.
> How much does it cost to deploy a client to the desktop.. are
> there training
> materials for this suite, whatever it is? If so, how does the
> learning curve
> compare to Exchange. <Insert 100 other cost related questions here>
>
> The only other possible decent collaborative mail solutions I
> can think of
> offhand which can scale to the sizes discussed in the article
> are OpenMail
> and Domino. If it's OpenMail, one wonders what crack the
> author was on to
> implement a product whose end of life cycle has been
> announced and if it's
> Domino, the administrative costs listed are completely off base IMHO.
>
> BTW, on the off chance it was Bynari I went to their website
> to see if I
> could download a demo version of the client and server to
> install on my
> Linux box. Can't seem to find one unfortunately.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Corbett
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Sent: 9/15/2001 5:53 AM
> Subject: Re: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange
>
> Chris,
>
> My additional assumption would be:
>
> h. Linux has an equivalent mail system to that of Exchange.
>
> Whilst all these numbers may be great to throw around (and
> based on the
> publisher they are biased towards a Linux implementation), the real
> question
> is "does Linux have a mail system that could go head-to-head, or
> toe-to-toe
> with Exchange" ??
>
> So far, the mail systems / packages / collection of unrelated
> applications
> on Linux that I've seen doesn't come close to what the Microsoft
> Exchange
> system offers. Most of the solutions seem to revolve around
> web-based or
> POP3, IMAP4 clients.
>
> Yes, there is web-based email for Linux, but no, most
> Exchange installs
> don't use this as the primary client.
>
> Yes, Exchange supports POP3, IMAP, but no, most exchange installs use
> the
> Outlook client, not Outlook Express.
>
> Looking at TCO number for servers and licensing is great, and is
> something
> that should be done regularly to ensure your company is
> receiving value
> for
> money, but unless the resulting solution provides the necessary
> functionality, what is the point ?
>
> I'll be the first to admit that I'm not 100% up on the offerings from
> the
> Linux community, but after recent investigations looking for a
> replacement
> for Exchange on the Linux platform for some smaller companies who see
> the
> cost of Exchange as prohibitive, I was unable to locate a complete
> solution
> that offered the same functionality. If someone would like to point me
> to
> such a solution, then maybe we can have a discussion about the TCO
> numbers /
> relative merits of such a solution.
>
> Glenn.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scharff, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:39 PM
> Subject: RE: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange
>
>
> > It's amazingly accurate if the following assumtions are made:
> > a. bandwidth is unlimited
> > b. bandwidth is free
> > c. MCSEs are all paper
> > d. Unix admins are all rocket scientists
> > e. The Unix community if full of messaging experts who are
> willing to
> drop
> > everything to run to the aid of anyone with a software issue.
> > f. The exchange community is not.
> > g. morons were hired to design the Exchange infrastructure
> >
> > I'd like the specs on Jimmy's Groupware application though. The T in
> TCO
> > includes more than what he's listed... I'd like to see how
> the product
> > enhances productivity in the Enterprise. That certainly has to be
> factored
> > in unless you're a SSM who isn't aware of how what they do and the
> services
> > they provide effects the bottom line.
> >
> > BTW, "Jimmy went out of his way to be fair to the Exchange/PC
> solution,
> > since the industry average is 350 mailboxes per server" is a perfect
> example
> > of zealotry blotting out rational thought processes.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Razler
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Sent: 9/13/2001 6:35 PM
> > Subject: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I am not advocating either side. I am just providing this as
> > some
> > related reading for Exchange Admins. Maybe you can even
> comment on it
> > and
> > let the rest of us know if you disagree with it and why.
> >
> > http://consultingtimes.com/Serverheist.html
>
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