Of course, that recommendation sells more licenses!
Ed Crowley
Compaq Computer
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
Most of the Antivirus companies will support having a file base antivirus
product running on the Exchange server as long and you follow the
recommended deployment guide-line. For example, some product may recommend
Exchange administrator to exclude the Exchange directory or the Antivirus
for Exchange directory. Other product when install will automatically
recognize these directory and exclude them from being scan.
The recent virus threat show us that almost every systems are vulnerable to
virus attacks at some point, so if you have a good file base antivirus
scanner that is compliance with Windows then why not install it. You have
nothing to loose, unless the product does not function will under this
condition.
Richard Ku
Product Manager
Trend Micro
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
You still are missing the distinction between a file-based scanner and
scanning the database using an Exchange-aware antivirus solution using
the AVAPI technology. They are NOT the same. Sort of like hitting your
NTFS volumes with Norton Antivirus for DOS.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Posted At: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 02:49 PM
> Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
> Conversation: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
>
>
> I don't suggest anyone install an AV product physically on the server.
>
> I don't understand why to install on the same box, when they can scan
> from a separate system.
> Microsoft are not against using file based scanners. Clearly
> Microsoft
> have no aversion to scanning Exchange 2000 servers.
>
> I think previous comments have been misleading about this point. By
> combining installing on the same box and AV scanners.
>
> What does Ed have to say anyway? This issue seems right up his alley.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Scharff, Chris
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:43 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
>
>
> Because there's a difference between an Exchange aware AV
> product using
> the AVAPI and a file based AV scanner running on a server
> which happens
> to also be running Exchange.
>
> *************************************************************
> Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.swinc.com
>
> "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please,
> which way I ought to go from here?"
> "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,"
> said the Cat.
> "I don't care much where--" said Alice.
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:30 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> >
> >
> > http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=22416
> >
> > Why have they invested in the new api then??????
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephen
> > Mynhier
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:34 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> >
> >
> > Third parties might support it... that's fine. But MS
> doesn't really
> > support running file-based AV on an Exchange server. It is
> one of the
>
> > first things that they have you remove if you call in with
> a problem,
> > it is one of the first things that they have you remove.
> >
> > Never confuse "can" and "should"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Ko
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Sent: 9/25/01 1:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> >
> > Kevin,
> > Hi!
> >
> > I don't know why you think why I am wrong. Why don't you
> > call Antivirus
> > companies and tell them they are wrong for supporting file based A/V
> > products on Exchange servers.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Kevin Miller
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:25 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > >
> > >
> > > You NEVER want to use a file based scanner on the
> Exchange folders
> > > in the server.. That is a very bad idea. You just don't do that
> > > period. If you want more protection then use extension blocking.
> > > File scanner your exchange server will cause nothing but problems
> > > and now help at all.. Why do you think there is a
> separate product
> > > for exchange? Never mind.. Don will finish this one
> better then I
> > > can..
> > >
> > > You should have left it you being wrong.
> > >
> > > Kevinm WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > All spelling and Factual errors are the fault of Bob Barker
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > This space has been rented by:
> > > Http://www.tiggercam.co.uk For all your tigger needs
> > > You 2 can rent this space if you need it.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Ko
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:19 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > >
> > >
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > What I don't want is to make this as argument. I am just saying
> > > that I would run File Based A/V product to increase the
> protection
> > > of Exchange server. You can't really say your server is bullet
> > > proof. Maybe it is at the time, but what if/when there's a new
> > > threat for security holes. A/V may not be able to protect
> it, but it
>
> > > certainly may decrease the chance of getting infected (IMO). You
> > > think that file based A/V products corrupt Exchange
> database? Well,
>
> > > Not if people install it properly and run it properly. Exchange
> > > Virus product companies support File Based A/V products.
> Microsoft
> > > does not say you can not install File Based A/V products on
> > > Exchange server, do they? If they do, please let me know.
> > >
> > > If you are happy with not running file based A/V products on your
> > > Exchange server, that's okay with me. I am just happy
> running file
> > > based A/V product along email virus product on my
> Exchange server.
> > > And this is supported by my A/V vendor.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:55 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, unless you have some rebuttal to prove me
> > otherwise... Please
> > > > enlighten me if there is something I'm missing. I'd
> > really like to
> > > > know...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of Brian Ko
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:43 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are right and I am wrong. Happy?
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of Don Ely
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:26 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ummmm... What the hell does having IIS on a server without
> > > > file based
> > > > > virus scanning have to do with anything?
> > > > >
> > > > > Case in point, I have an E2K server with IIS 5.0 with
> all of the
>
> > > > > necessary patches and updates. What the hell is a file
> > > > based scanner
> > > > > going to do for me that my email virus scanner
> > wouldn't? Are you
> > > > > trying to tell these poor souls that the nimda virus
> > > would not have
> > > > > infected
> > > > > them if they had a file based scanner? Bzzztt....
> > WRONG ANSWER!
> > > > >
> > > > > He who knows how to build, configure and secure a server
> > > > doesn't need
> > > > > a file based scanner on their exchange server.
> > > > > The virus in this particular case came through either an
> > > email or an
> > > > > infected web page. If the admin is anywhere near
> > > competent and has
> > > > > his/her server built correctly, the virus cannot be
> > > activated. Now
> > > > > if said admin is ignorant and doesn't have a properly
> configured
>
> > > > > server... They deserve what they get!
> > > > >
> > > > > Come back later and talk to us when your exchange install
> > > > has become
> > > > > corrupted due to your file based scanner...
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > Of Brian Ko
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:14 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And maybe you won't install IIS 5.0 on Windows 2000
> > > > servers??? Nimda
> > > > > was able to infect IIS servers using IIS server as well.
> > > I am not
> > > > > forcing you or missy to install the A/V on your own
> > > servers. It's
> > > > > your own choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Tom Meunier
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:04 AM
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...or maybe she won't create PUBLICALLY ACCESSIBLE
> > SHARES on an
> > > > > > Exchange box, perhaps. Or browse the web or read her
> > > > email from it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You identify your points of possible infection, and you
> > > > > protect them.
> > > > > > I don't need to put mousetraps in my gasoline tank, because
> > > > > I'm fairly
> > > > > > certain that they'll never be able to get in there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Brian Ko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > Posted At: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:01 AM Posted To:
> > > > > > > MSExchange Mailing List
> > > > > > > Conversation: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think you will think differently after you have one
> > > > of Exchange
> > > > > > > server infected by virus (not that I am wishing for it,
> > > > I hope it
> > > > > > > never happens!!!). Not having any A/V product except
> > > Exchange
> > > > > > > server is a past thing as new virus comes out all the
> > > > > time with more
> > > > > > damage it can
> > > > > > > do to a workstation or a server, IMHO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brian Ko
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > > > Of missy
> > > > > > > > koslosky
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:31 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: anti-virus protection for Exchange
> server os
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What's he risking by not having file-based A/V on
> > > his Exchange
> > >
> > > > > > > > server? There shouldn't be anything other than
> > > > Exchange on the
> > > > > > > > server, so Antigen should protect his server
> quite nicely.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm not a proponent of file-based scanners on servers
> > > > > that aren't
> > > > > > > > file servers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Missy
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Brian Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:28 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: anti-virus protection for Exchange
> server os
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are risking a lot by not putting Antivirus
> > > > software on your
> > > > > > > > server. We've been running ScanMail and
> > > ServerProtect on our
> > > > > > > > Exchange server for a while w/o any problem. We
> > > did exclude
> > > > > > > > ScanMail and Exchange folders from scanning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> > > > > Of Steven
> > > > > > > > > Plender
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:28 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > > > > Subject: anti-virus protection for Exchange server os
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We are currently using Antigen Anti-virus software on
> > > > > all of our
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Exchange servers. We have not used any other
> anti-virus
> > > > > > > software to
> > > > > > > > > protect the server or operating system itself. Three
> > > > > > > years ago when
> > > > > > > > > the Exchange systems were being installed it was
> > > > > known that file
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > scanning anti-virus software could or would corrupt
> > > > > > > > information store
> > > > > > > > > files and perhaps log files as well. The architect
> > > > > > > > recommended that no
> > > > > > > > > anti-virus software be installed at that
> time. Desktops
> > > > > > and other
> > > > > > > > > servers are protected with file scanning anti-virus
> > > > > > software which
> > > > > > > > > is updated nightly. We have been asked / directed
> > > > to install
> > > > > > > > > server file scanning software (NAI) on our Exchange
> > > > > > servers. This
> > > > > > > > > weekend I have been running it in the lab on an
> > > > > Exchange server
> > > > > > > > > and have excluded the partition with the information
> > > > > > store and the
> > > > > > > > > partition with the log files. Can you tell me what the
> > > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > is on this issue and do you run server anti-virus
> > > > > > software along
> > > > > > > > > with Exchange aware anti-virus software. Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Steve Plender
> > > > > > > > > RBC DS
> >
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