Pass the Windex please, I now have to clean soda and snot of my monitor from laughing.....
>>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:53 AM >>>To: Exchange Discussions >>>Subject: RE: Computer Associates >>> >>> >>>ahahaa... :) >>> >>>You can add this to you list. An exact quote from a friend >>>of mine about a month ago... >>> >>>"InnoculateIt is to Trend Viruswall what a Pinto is to a >>>Dodge Viper. Sure, it has four wheels. So does my wife's >>>dildo. It doesn't mean that I admit to working with or using either." >>> >>>Denis >>> >>>Denis A. Baldwin >>>Network Administrator, CAE. Inc. >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >>>Lefkovics, William >>>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:39 AM >>>To: Exchange Discussions >>>Subject: Computer Associates >>> >>> >>> >>>CA contacted me, concerned about posts I've made regarding >>>their products. In the past it has not been their policy to >>>participate in these forums because vendors aren't always >>>treated very well. They are reconsidering this policy. >>> >>>William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP >>> >>>Here is the list of ACTUAL quotes I assembled for them in >>>response to their sudden concern (I did not include names, >>>but these are from public forums): >>> >>>When someone made a comment like this: >>> >>>-"We have bought Arcserve 2000 w/ the backup agent for >>>Exchange to backup our Exchange Server and have been having >>>nothing but problems." - Saul, October 10, 2001 >>> >>>The ACTUAL replies were as follows: >>> >>>-"Do you really want us to go for the entire day about how >>>HORRIBLE of a product Jerkserv is/???? NTBACK2k [1] is 1000 >>>times better. Return the Jerkserv and install Backup Exec" >>> >>>-"The best thing to do with CA products, is to place them in >>>the dumpster, where they belong." >>> >>>-"We have been using Arcserve 2000 for awhile now and I >>>would have to say that it DOES SUCK." >>> >>>-"why do people buy that program? I have never heard anyone >>>say anything nice about it?" >>> >>>-"Don't get started on that crappy as*s piece of software." >>> >>> >>>Other comments about CA software, by those who actually use it: >>> >>>-"Let me clue you in on something. I've got a good friend at >>>CA - he told me that they have a bad time getting their E2K >>>servers backed up >>>using their product!!!!" >>> >>>-"ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain >>>in the arse, breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on?" >>> >>>-"Arcserve does an excellent job of backup things up, it's >>>downfall is the ability to restore things...." >>> >>>-"Arcserve and anything is not a good choice." >>> >>>-"I agree on Arcserve, which is the lowliest of backup >>>products anyway." >>> >>>-"Arcserve and a dumpster are a perfect fit." >>> >>>-"There's only so much overtime one man can do, and my >>>quota's fully taken by using AarghServe" >>> >>>-"Run away! Fast! Seriously. There are very few here who >>>like working with ANY CA products even if they inherit them, >>>much less ask for them." >>> >>>-"you can switch to arcserve if your current backup is too >>>fast for you" >>> >>>-"Running Innoculan was somewhat akin to flogging myself." >>> >>>-"I've only purchased a few products from CA and the support >>>was absolutely horrid. I have had other system >>>administrators with the same experience. Most of the >>>products themselves were very good until CA buys the >>>company, then the support seems to go down the tubes." >>> >>>-"I can't seem to get ARCServe to back up my (WINNT 4.0 SP6) >>>Exchange server 5.5 SP2 data files." >>> >>>-"EjaculateIT has worked well for us as a desktop antivirus >>>solution for our office, but for the Exchange Agent, I'd >>>recommend hiring a tibetan monk to analyse code segments >>>manually for viral patterns than ever recommend this piece >>>of crap clearly written by laid off AOL programmers." >>> >>>-"The last time I remember any kind of success with ArcServe >>>was when Computer Associates didn't own it and it was >>>running on Novell. Ever since Computer Associates got >>>involved, it has become unreliable garbage." >>> >>>-"Yes, although usually alot of things tend to not work >>>after a CA product is installed." >>> >>>-"When it comes time to update CA's stuff, maybe an >>>alternative would be in order here." >>> >>>-"in my short time in the IT industry InoculateIT 4.53 is >>>the worst piece of software I have had the displeasure to >>>work with. Closely followed by Arcserve." >>> >>>-"I don't feel like playing with ArcServe**It right now." >>> >>>-"I just started a new job. they have this SQL server that >>>is all hosed up. I uninstall JarkServ and it all worked >>>better : > no more problems go figure." >>> >>>-"Don't use arcserve - its horrible." >>> >>>-"We cannot get a good IS backup using ArcServe2000..." >>> >>>-"Given the knowledge (or lack or it) exhibited by various >>>CA techs, I trust them about as far as I can throw them." >>> >>>-"You hate ARCServe? Can't understand why. Don't you like >>>being pummeled by a brain-dead licensing and registration >>>process that's just an extra added bit of torture?" >>> >>>-"when we moved to Exchange instead of Netscape Messaging >>>Server, we discovered that Arcserve wasn't too friendly" >>> >>>-"If our damn Arcserve was working could have restored the >>>whole box, but it has been failing >>>for a while." >>> >>>-"We use InocIT because the tech people aren't making enough >>>of the buying decisions around here. I would choose anything >>>but InocIT. Actually I would stay away from any CA product..." >>> >>>-"A search on ArcServe's tech support FAQs revealed nothing." >>> >>>-"licensing was the worst aspect of CAI products. Make that >>>2nd worst, after tech support" >>> >>>-"ArcWreckIT will do exactly that..." >>> >>>-"Arcserve backups have been failing and I haven't got a backup." >>> >>>-"this InoculateIT software sucks!" >>> >>>-"I gave up using Arcserve 2000 - went back to using >>>NTBackup, and then onto Backup Exec." >>> >>>-"I hate ArcServe... I am holding my breath until we get the >>>new servers up and running -- and they won't be using ArcServe." >>> >>>-"I am a fully signed up member of the CA bashing bandwagon." >>> >>>-"We unfortunately still use InnoculateIT on the desktops. >>>Innoculate couldn't catch a virus if it were sprinkled with >>>anthrax powder." >>> >>>-"Unfortunately, yes, I have tried the CA support site. >>>Spent 3 hours going round in circles on it trying to find a >>>decent answer!!" >>> >>>-"the answer would be, 'Anything but Arcserve.'" >>> >>>-"Federal law prohibits using the words "CA", "Exchange" and >>>"scan" in the same sentence." >>> >>>-"...having nothing at all is better than having >>>InnoculateIT because then you don't have a false sense of security?" >>> >>>-"It tells me the Database is corrupted. THANK YOU COMPUTER >>>ASSOCIATES!" >>> >>>-"It goes great with the Inoculan Antivirus and Log File >>>Discombobulator system from Compooter Assoshiates." >>> >>>-"A similar thing happened to me when installing Computer >>>Associate's Inoculate IT according to the installation >>>instructions on their CD. I do not recall exactly all the >>>changes I made, but it had to do with permissions and/or >>>search privileges. CA sent the "proper" installation >>>instructions via email saying, "Oh yeah, the instructions on >>>the CD are wrong". It still took several hours with PSS to >>>get things back to normal.... I don't know if this helps or >>>if is just another anti-CA rant." >>> >>>-"We are trying to set up Arcserve 2000 to backup our >>>Exchange 2000 server, we have bought the Exchange backup >>>agent but are having a hell of a time trying to set it up!!!!" >>> >>>-"ahem, I think that this just might be another quality CA >>>experience." >>> >>>-"We bought ARCserve but it's just sitting here, unused and unloved." >>> >>> >>>Still, I close with a Haiku discussion from an Exchange >>>Discussions forum, which in its own way summarizes sentiment >>>about your products : >>> >>>It's Five-Seven-Five >>>Your first line was only four >>>Go Punish yourself >>> >>>I screwed up haiku >>>So must now punish myself >>>Installing arcserv >>> >>>Installing Arcserve >>>Is not enough punishment >>>You must make it work. >>> >>>And backup alone >>>Is not good enough either. >>>You must restore too. >>> >>>And when you are done >>>Please call CA and let them >>>Know how you did it >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm >>>Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >>>To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm >>>Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >>>To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
