hrmm.. the ones I have gotten from GW and Dell have all been full versions,
yet, as someone point out earlier, they are about 6 months old and require
LiveUpdating immediately.

Denis

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


you might want to note that these "included" virus product's are usually a
30day trail type thing..has been my exprience.


-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:08 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


Dell and Gateway both include Norton A/V in their computers, free of charge.
I've purchased about a dozen of each in the past two years and they come
preloaded.

Denis

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chinnery Paul
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


I haven't bought a new pc in a while but didn't most mfg's bundle McAfee or
Norton AV with them?

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-----Original Message-----
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Badtrans and SirCam


Why does it have to come from Microsoft?

Why can't the system builder install an AV product on the system. I'm sure
if HP worked a deal with Trend or Norton for their home PC virus product,
the value add would be great, at little extra cost to the end user.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager 
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards 
(404) 239 - 2981 
Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise
men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe
it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha


-----Original Message-----
From: Harald van Bebber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: AW: Badtrans and SirCam


If everything to make it usable and secure was included, Microsoft would
face another anti trust case ...

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von:    John Matteson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Gesendet am:    Montag, 3. Dezember 2001 18:27
An:     Exchange Discussions
Betreff:        RE: Badtrans and SirCam

Boy can I identify with that.

And to some extent, it is understandable. When a user goes out and buys a
car, other than for tags, they really don't have to go anywhere else or
purchase anything else to make it usable or safe. Everything needed to make
it usable is included when you take delivery.

It's rather hard to explain just WHY they need a personal firewall, virus
protection and a set of system utilities if it's "just for home/kid/fun"
use.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager 
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards 
(404) 239 - 2981 
Believe nothing because it is written in books. Believe nothing because wise
men say it is so. Believe nothing because it is religious doctrine. Believe
it only because you yourself know it to be true. -- Buddha


-- 
Harald van Bebber

HvB-EDV It-Service

GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet.
http://www.gmx.net


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