And you're not buying core CALs why? ------------------------------------------------------ Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA
> -----Original Message----- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my > clients and > servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. > But going to > .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to > snuff, because you > can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in > order to use > OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing > strategy, but I can't > believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole > organization to one > Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side > too. You can't > run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > > each, you > > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > > services??? Maybe > > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > > provide a > > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > > solution, > > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I > would think... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > > > to helping > > > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > > > ASP shudder. > > > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > > > access in > > > > that manner. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > > > RADIUS server > > > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > > > that would > > > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > > > > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our > > > Exchange servers > > > > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > > > Their machines > > > > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly > use our WINS. > > > > > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > > name of our > > > > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > > > > doing it a > > > > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in > > > which they > > > > > must be used. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > > > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > > > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to > > > map to your > > > > > > > > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > > > > > works good. > > > > > > If you need > > > > > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > > > Remote users > > > > > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > > > > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > > > > > > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their > > > > > mailboxes and > > > > > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > > > > > DSL, they > > > > > > can access our network, the internet and other network > > > resources > > > > > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. > > > > > Synchronization failure > > > > > > messages are > > > > > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange > > > > > > server" or the RPC message box "retrieving data > from Exchange > > > > > > server". These eventually fail and nothing is exchanged > > > > between the > > > > > > client and their server > > > > > > mailbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone seen this? 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