The core CAL has replaced the BackOffice CAL. http://www.microsoft.com/backofficeserver/howtobuy/pricing/changes.asp
HTH, (back to lurking) ~R~ ---------------------------------------------------------- Roger Haxton Network Administrator Sure-Tel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----------------------------------------------------------- There's probably a great big flaw in this theory, but asking myself "What would Snake Plisskin do?" hasn't steered me wrong yet.... -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@;superioraccess.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook URL? -----Original Message----- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook I didn't even know what a core CAL was, until you posted it. I've found it on the MS web site, but can find no definitive cost information. They tell you it covers Win2k Server, Exchange, SMS and Sharepoint, but then when you go to try and find pricing information, they want you to pick one. Why can't they just give out the information, without making you sift through 15,000 web pages??!! What can you tell me? -----Original Message----- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook And you're not buying core CALs why? ------------------------------------------------------ Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -----Original Message----- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Ah...but that's okay. I'm already at Win2k or XP on all my clients > and servers. The upgrade to SP3 from Win2k SP2 is free. > > And it's possible that I did misread the previous statement. But going > to .NET/Titanium and an AD Structure, from our current Win2k / > Ex5.5 / NT 4.0 > domain model, will be quite spendy. > > Heck, it just cost me $54k to get our Outlook CAL's up to snuff, > because you can't buy Ex5.5 CAL's anymore. They wouldn't listen to me > last August, when > you could still get those for ~$13/ea. Now, they're up to > ~$67/ea for an > Ex5.5/E2k CAL! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Hell, they're going to make you upgrade to W2K Sp3 or XP for Office 11 > too... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:jhblunt@;bhi-erc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > MS is going to force us to go to a .NET/Titanium platform in order to > use OL11?! > > How freakin' stupid is that? It's a great marketing strategy, but I > can't believe that they wouldn't make it backwards compatible with > E2k/E5.5. Talk > about continually shooting yourself in the foot with your customers... > > That's it! I'm done playing! I'm gonna move our whole organization > to one Linux 8.0 server running CommuniGate Pro! Phhhppptt! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > I am pretty sure you are correct. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:bms@;hawaiilawyer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:16 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > Yes, but I believe it requires Titanium on the server side too. You > can't run over HTTP against an Exchange 5.5 Server just because you > have OL11. > > Aloha, > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Has it been announced? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > Something like MAPI over http as announced for Outlook 11? > Maybe, but > > given the large install base of Outlook 97 still out there, > it would > > seem that an investment in VPN today would have reasonable utility > > over the lifespan of the hardware used to run it. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:53 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Hypothetically, if Microsoft came out with new technology > > that would > > > make MAPI obsolete (something like front-end/back-end OWA > > with all the > > > features of Outlook), would you then toss out the VPN and stop > > > charging customers for it? > > > > > > I am still hoping that something like this will be > > available, but then > > > if I invest in VPN technologies it would be a waste of money. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Julian Stone [mailto:julian.stone@;netstore.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:36 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > We also "allow" Mapi across the internet, but with VPN systems for > > > those customers who are willing to pay for the added security. > > > > > > Some customers have even requested & got non HTTPS OWA > > access, where > > > their password is sent in clear text !! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Julian Stone > > > Exchange 2000 Consultant and Webmaster > > > > > > Sent from Microsoft Exchange 2000 SP3 build 6249.4 > > > > > > Netstore - Europe's Leading Application Service Provider > > > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1344 444349 > > > Mobile: +44 (0) 7710 122 312 > > > Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 1238 > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > LOCATION: http://www.netstore.net/contact/location.htm > > > HomePage: http://www.netstore.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > Sent: 30 October 2002 17:22 pm > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > Been like this for 2 years now. > > > > > > Of course I always look for ways to make it better and safer. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:07 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > When your goal is to sell as many seats as possible @ $9.95 > > each, you > > > cut corners and customers get what they pay for. > > > Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:44 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > But as an ASP wouldn't you just charge more for the > > > services??? Maybe > > > > I'm just being blind, but I would think one would want to > > provide a > > > > more secure solution. Of course, added costs go with that > > > solution, > > > > but one would apply those costs to their clients I > would think... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:44 AM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > I can seee some instances where the support costs related > > > to helping > > > > Windows 95 users install and configure VPN might make an > > > ASP shudder. > > > > InnerHost is certainly not the only ASP to provide Exchange > > > access in > > > > that manner. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:14 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would disagree with that... A VPN solution with a > > > RADIUS server > > > > > would fit your needs quite well... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:13 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAPI across the Internet. Please no flames. There is no VPN > > > > that would > > > > > be universal enough for all kinds of customers. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:28 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do they connect? VPN, Direct Dial?? > > > > > > > > > > Are these users POPing their email? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:12 AM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you like me to give you an example? > > > > > > > > > > we are a hosting company. Customers connect to our > > > Exchange servers > > > > > from all over the world, from a variety of client OSes. > > > > Their machines > > > > > are not members of our domain. They can't possibly > use our WINS. > > > > > > > > > > What would you do to allow their PCs to resolve the short > > > > name of our > > > > > Exchange server? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No there aren't. There are times in which its easier than > > > > doing it a > > > > > different way, but that doesn't mean there are times in > > > which they > > > > > must be used. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE > > > > > Sr. Systems Administrator > > > > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov@;innerhost.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:17 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are some situations when one must use HOSTS file. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Ely, Don [mailto:dely@;TripathImaging.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:07 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither, use WINS and DNS, works every time... > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: RBHATIA [mailto:RBHATIA@;AIIM.ORG] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 AM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it the LMHOSTS file or the HOSTS file ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener@;midship.com] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:24 AM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you should use the lmhost file on the client pc to > > > map to your > > > > > > > > > exchange server thats what we use here at my office and it > > > > > works good. > > > > > > If you need > > > > > > more help dont hesitate to email me. > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon@;hotmail.com] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:10 PM > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > > Subject: VPN breaks Outlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mixed mode, currently migrating users from 5.5 to E2k. > > > > Remote users > > > > > > have Outlook 2002 on W2k Professional laptops and Alcatel > > > > > > PERMIT/Client. > > > > > > > > > > > > These users connect via dial-up, they can access their > > > > > mailboxes and > > > > > > send/receive no problem. When they use LinkSys router and > > > > > DSL, they > > > > > > can access our network, the internet and other network > > > resources > > > > > > EXCEPT for their mailboxes on the E2k server. > > > > > Synchronization failure > > > > > > messages are > > > > > > related to "network problems preventing access to the > > Exchange > > > > > > server" or the RPC message box "retrieving data > from Exchange > > > > > > server". These eventually fail and nothing is exchanged > > > > between the > > > > > > client and their server > > > > > > mailbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone seen this? 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