Mr. Scharff,

I understand that you’re currently a bit jaded with this topic (or you
could be enjoying yourself not sure...  The email intonation module on my
pc is broken *grin*).  But, would you mind taking a moment to explain or
send links to previous explanations as to why RBL is not a good idea? 
With the research that I have conducted I cannot find any serious issues
with it. Of course I'm missing quite a lot of first hand knowledge with
this technology since I have yet to incorporate within my test
environment.

I fear that I might be apart of that 32% your talking about and wish to...
um... well... *shrug* not be.


Thanks for the input!
David

> Perhaps you should read your e-mails before you send them. Just cause
> you wrote something down and it sounds one way in your head doesn't
> meant that it will sound the same way on the other end.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> I guess the #include humor.h module wasn't loaded for you this morning.
> I'd suggest that the spelling remark was only rude to a subset of the
> 32% of admins who actually could spell RBL and thus understood the barb.
> As a journalism major, with an English minor I am quite concerned about
> any grammatical errors I might have made in the comment you are
> referring to. Would you please be so kind as to point out my grammar
> errors so that I might endeavor to eliminate them from my future
> postings?
> 
> Now, as to your point that my statement that of the 32% of mail
> administrators who can spell RBL many are unable to comprehend the
> implications of it: I've made more than 8,000 replies in various public
> forums in the last 12 months. I've read over 50,000 threads during that
> same period. It's been a relatively slow year for me, but even if we
> take those low water numbers back 4 years it's still a fairly
> substantial number of administrators and posts that I've encountered.
> Based on that vast experience with and exposure to mail administrators
> around the world, I find it highly likely that 16% or more of mail
> administrators don't understand fully the implications of the RBL
> technology they are using and or advocating.
> 
> It has nothing to do with being smart or dumb. It has to do with being
> knowledgeable about a particular issue or technology. My comments were
> not directed at any particular individual user on this list and were
> more accurately a diatribe against the technology than those who choose
> to implement it. I'm sorry you chose to misinterpret my comments.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Walsh, Ric [mailto:Walshr@;national-citymortgage.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > 
> > Ok your "spelling" remark was rude to all of us.
> > 
> > You following remark despite it's poor grammar seems to say that the 
> > rest of us are dumber that you. I'd have to say that it was ALL rude.
> > 
> > Ric Walsh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:     Walsh, Ric
> > > Sent:     Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:32 AM
> > > To:       Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject:  RE: RBL's
> > >
> > > Ok what makes you such a wizard? Also add the word rude to that. 
> > > Have
> > you
> > > though of taking an anger management class?
> > >
> > > Ric Walsh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:   Chris Scharff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent:   Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:22 PM
> > > > To:     Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject:        RE: RBL's
> > > >
> > > > I'd guess 68% or more of mail admins are unable to even spell RBL.
> 
> > > > The majority of the remainder is unable to comprehend the 
> > > > implications of
> > > the
> > > > functionality on their environment, whether they understand how it
> 
> > > > actually works or not.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:16 PM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...)
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to 
> > > > > comprehend its functionality?
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> > > > > Scharff
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > > > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd 
> > > > > parties to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have
> 
> > > > > to join you in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo 
> > > > > is costing their company business.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > > > > EMS Sales Engineer
> > > > > MessageOne
> > > > > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and
> 
> > > > > > the current stance on that is that they're "thinking about 
> > > > > > possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Darcy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RBL's
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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