Maybe you should just grow up and know when to quit. I'm sure we all feel
this has gone on long enough. Or reply to whom ever this is intended for
directly instead of crying to the whole list. 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: New Entourage

"..you could have resolved by having someone with a 6th grade education read
you the FM"

What part of "I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I
would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I
went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the
account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so
far" was so difficult to understand? Seemed pretty clear to me, with my 4th
grade edgukashun and all.

I guess I need to read the RTFM for mailing lists so I can find the part
that
says:

"Be sure to spend lot's of time and completely read the manual over and over
just to make sure you don't upset anyone named Chris Scharff because he is
really important and doesn't care about things other than the really cool
things he is working on. No quick simple questions allowed!!!!!"

"I respond to over 6k posts in various forums on average each year. Only in
a minor subset of them to I recommend people RTFM or STFW. I guess your
egregious and obvious lack of research or effort earned your post a place in
that subset. "

Mr.
Iamreallyreallyimportantandmuststickoutmychesttocompensateforothershortcomin
g
s seems to have reared it's ugly head again. I am glad you actually keep
track of things like that. I guess everyone needs a hobby. 

It's really funny to see people get personal in a mailing list. It still
baffles me that people have to resort to making personal comments about
people they have never met personally. I guess it must make them feel more
important and in this case that really seems to fit.

"BTW, Footnoting empty air, while humorous, serves only to further
demonstrate the failure of the public schools in the community where you
grew up."

I figured I would put numbers in brackets like you since you are really
really cool and way more important than me.

-Mike
http://www.uselessthoughts.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:38 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: New Entourage

I think your problem extends beyond 4th grade grammar skills to basic
reading comprehension issues. My footnote re: 'not caring' was inference to
troubleshooting my free/busy issue, not the clearly documented calendar and
contact "issues" you could have resolved by having someone with a 6th grade
education read you the FM.

I respond to over 6k posts in various forums on average each year. Only in a
minor subset of them to I recommend people RTFM or STFW. I guess your
egregious and obvious lack of research or effort earned your post a place in
that subset. 

BTW, Footnoting empty air, while humorous, serves only to further
demonstrate the failure of the public schools in the community where you
grew up.


> From: "Mike Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:11:29 -0500
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: New Entourage
> 
> [1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37  0V3R
17!!
> 
> [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public 
> Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing 
> through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see 
> what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out.
> I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public 
> folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being 
> too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was
referring to this:
> 
>>>> [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with
> cooler
>>>> Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than 
>>>> Entourage,
> which
>>>> at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs.
> 
> If you don't really care, why even reply?
> 
> [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the 
> app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you 
> need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is 
> going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email?
> 
> -Mike Carlson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.uselessthoughts.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Scharff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: New Entourage
> 
> 
>> It's "you're" not "your". And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM.
>> This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my 
>> responses
> feel
>> free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less.
>> 
>> Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on 
>> my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am.
>> I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with 
>> the Exchange update for Entourage. The "issue" you describe seems to 
>> be expected
> behavior
>> based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read 
>> those
> and
>> need the rest of us to do your work for you.
>> 
>> 
>>> From: "Mike Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500
>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: New Entourage
>>> 
>>> Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a 
>>> minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off 
>>> about how important we are.
>>> 
>>> Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, 
>>> I
> cant
>>> really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the
> same
>>> issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I 
>>> wouldn't worry about it right now.
>>> 
>>> I would figure the appropriate response would be:
>>> 
>>> 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I 
>>> cant test it
>>> 
>>> OR
>>> 
>>> 2. Yes/No
>>> 
>>> Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the 
>>> free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as
well.
>>> 
>>> =)
>>> 
>>> -Mike Carlson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> http://www.uselessthoughts.com
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Scharff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: New Entourage
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Do I see.... Have you read the help files yet? The client is 
>>>> working as
> I
>>>> would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of 
>>>> the
>>> help
>>>> files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't 
>>>> had
> time
>>>> to look into.[1]
>>>> 
>>>> [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low 
>>>> priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the 
>>>> priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because 
>>>> I'm playing with
> cooler
>>>> Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than 
>>>> Entourage,
> which
>>>> at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs.
>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Mike Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500
>>>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Entourage
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public 
>>>>> folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or 
>>>>> calendar
entries?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Mike Carlson
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> http://www.uselessthoughts.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Chris Scharff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Entourage
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite 
>>>>>> a
> bit
>>> of
>>>>>> information, might try reading those for what the expected
>>> functionality
>>>>> is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Atkinson, Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100
>>>>>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41
>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Its designed for E2K or higher
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM
>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange
>>>>>>> 5.5
>>>>> server.
>>>>>>> Does it maybe work better with 2000?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Peter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38
>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: New Entourage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't 
>>>>>>> get
>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are 
>>>>>>> set
> to
>>>>> be of
>>>>>>> Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just 
>>>>>>> using
>>> IMAP?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Mike Carlson
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> http://www.uselessthoughts.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Atkinson, Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about trying out citrix....
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44
>>>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an
> alternative?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the 
>>>>>>>>> semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different 
>>>>>>>>> mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, 
>>>>>>>>> and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major 
>>>>>>>>> upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all 
>>>>>>>>> incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on 
>>>>>>>>> the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's 
>>>>>>>>> new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from 
>>>>>>>>> a point upgrade.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Peter
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25
>>>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't doubt it.  That makes perfect business sense.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for 
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first 
>>>>>>>>>> OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from 
>>>>>>>>>> their dominance of the desktop.
>>>>>>>>> It meets the
>>>>>>>>>> requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc).
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the
>>>>>>>>>> only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its 
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their 
>>>>>>>>>> entire Mac offering.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> - Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems 
>>>>>>>>>> Administrator Inovis Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is more venting than any serious question:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over 
>>>>>>>>>>> HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You 
>>>>>>>>>>> must enable IMAP on your Exchange server?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Why did they get rid of the Outlook product?  Why make an 
>>>>>>>>>>> organization with Macs go through so many hoops?  It's not 
>>>>>>>>>>> like they have to code from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>> It makes no sense.  The whole idea is to make the products
>>>>>>>>>> across both
>>>>>>>>>>> platforms the same or mostly the same.  They didn't take 
>>>>>>>>>>> Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features 
>>>>>>>>>>> and call it something else, did they?  Keerist!!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Exchange Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange 
>>>>>>>>>>>> aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding 
>>>>>>>>>>>> free/busy and
>>>>>>>>>> and automatic
>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration of address book and other account settings to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> support Exchange qualifies, then maybe.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Erik Sojka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: New Entourage
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exchange-aware if it was, right?  When we looked at this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch 
>>>>>>>>>>>> between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to open up IMAP or
>>>>>>>>>>>> POP3 for him.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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