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From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Deckler wrote a book?!?
Anyone know where MEC is this year?
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From: "Robert Moir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
> The one about hijacking threads and thinking the world revolves around
you?
> Try googling on "Net etiquette" or "Netiquette".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Mon 15/09/2003 21:43
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> Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
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>
>
> Do any of you 2 know anything about my issue?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
> Sent: 15 September 2003 21:26
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
>
>
> Hear hear. It's not like IT professionals are politicians taking
> kickbacks
> and getting thousands and thousands of dollars in gift money. Doctors
> need
> a code of ethics because of the nature of their career-path; it's so
> amazingly easy to ruin someone's life as a doctor (or save it, of
> course).
> You tell me where we have such power.
>
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:12 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
>
>
> The problem with Deckler's "ethics" argument, as Andy pointed out, is
> that by his logic if you have Cisco golf shirt hanging in your closet
> then you are automatically unethical. Equally absurd is his assertion
> that lawyers and doctors don't face the same issues -- my mother is a
> medical professional; she spent 20 years in private medical practice in
> Los Angeles and I can assure you that there was hardly a pencil holder,
> ruler or coffee mug in her home that didn't have the name of some
> pharmaceutical on it.
>
> I work for lawyers and I guarantee you that if it's raining hard in
> downtown Honolulu you will see attorneys crossing the street with
> "Lexis/Nexis" and "Bank of Hawaii" umbrellas. Are we to believe that a
> tax attorney with a "Bank of Hawaii" umbrella is unethical because he's
> going to automatically steer all of his clients to place their
> investment accounts at BankOH?
>
> Greg believes that because I'm a Microsoft MVP that I'm just an
> unethical front for Microsoft with a massive conflict of interest and
> thus unable to properly represent any other product. A ludicrous
> assertion on the face of it: I make no commissions, Microsoft doesn't
> know or care how often (or if at all) I recommend their products and my
> MVP status is in no way dependant upon my advocating Microsoft products.
> Microsoft has not threatened to revoke my status because I have a couple
> of Linux boxes down the hall. Microsoft MVPs are often some of
> Microsoft's harshest critics; especially to their faces.
>
> The fact is that despite my MVP status my firm is still a WordPerfect
> shop. I have a handful of very nice ProLaw pens that the sales rep gave
> me and exactly zero seats of ProLaw installed. I have Symantec hats,
> pens and Post-It pads...but no Symantec software currently installed.
> Epson sent me some promotional pens and laser pointers in exchange for
> receiving literature about their new projectors -- I haven't bought a
> new projector in about 3 years. If I do, I'll consider Epson along with
> several other brands. I'm a CNA with no NetWare installed.
>
> Maybe I am the rare IT guy with nerves of steel, but the fact is that
> some vendor giving my knick-knacks, some initials or a free CD of demo
> software just isn't going to cause me to recommend a solution that I
> don't believe is the best solution.
>
> -Ben-
> Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
> Director of Information Services
> Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
> http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wampler
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:30 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Deckler wrote a book?!?
>
> maybe i'm missing something here, but i just read that ethics thing and
> it looks like this to me
>
> if you ask 100 people on the street who is more professional a doctor or
> it guy, probably everyone would say doctor
>
> ergo if it people want to be considered as professional as doctors and
> get paid similar salaries then we need to create a professional
> governing body and not have silly things like "microsoft" certification
>
> that would be the equivalent of having "pfizer" certification as a
> doctor, which dont make no sense
>
> obviously there are some strong feelings about some past history that i
> have no idea about but the ethics piece looks like a sound argument to
> me
>
>
> > Same old bag of gas. "IT consultants are all unprofessional except
> for me."
> >
> >
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
> > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
> >
>
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