You guys don't need to convince me that they cost of being down FAR
OUTWEIGHS the $3800 cost for Exchange Enterprise.  I have been preaching
that to upper management since the day I started this job TWO WEEKS AGO.  

The trick about installing Enterprise edition tryout is pretty clever.  I
never thought to try that.  Good job... =)

Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel:   972.772.7501
fax:  972.772.7510



-----Original Message-----
From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Private Store size problems.


Exchange 5.5 does have a mailbox management component that can be used to
auto-empty deleted items folders and other folders.  You can reduce deleted
item retention and ask people to move stuff into the Public store or into
PST files (just have them do a search of anything over 5MB and remove those
attachments - that's the biggest bang for the buck).

If your store is already over the limit, you're a bit screwed.  If you have
an eval copy of the enterprise version, you could install it on a test
server, load up the store, delete a bunch of junk, then move the data back
to the other system.

But what is the cost of the mail server being down compared to the
enterprise license?  If the Ent license costs more than the downtime, leave
it off and go home. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Private Store size problems.

Good points.  I'm doing a full-court press to get us upgraded to Exchange
2000 Enterprise at the same time.  As far as the temp drive goes, it is a
36GB 15k rpm drive, separate from the main storage volume.  I'm averaging
around 9 GB / hour, so I'm not far from the eseutil's theoretical maximum of
10 GB / hour.  I guess I should be happy.

My real question should have been this:  What do you do when an offline
defrag won't get Priv.edb filesize small enough to restart the Information
Store?


Eric Fretz

L-3 Communications
ComCept Division
2800 Discovery Blvd.
Rockwall, TX 75032
tel:   972.772.7501
fax:  972.772.7510



-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Private Store size problems.


I'd continue to focus on purchasing the Enterprise version.  What's the cost
of yo0ur labor in doing the offline defrag?  What's the cost to the company
in the system downtime for you to do the defrag?  What's the cost to the
company of the system downtime if you do hit the 16GB limit?  Then compare
that to the cost of Enterprise Edition.  

You'd best delete things from the store while it is up and right before you
do the offline defrag.  You can also reduce the DIR time period so things
get permanently deleted sooner.  

Speeding up offline defragmentation:  This is a FAQ - the best you can do is
put things on fast storage, make the temp drive a separate spindle from the
live store.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:53 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Private Store size problems.
> 
> 
> My company has been reluctant to upgrade our exchange 5.5 standard 
> server to 5.5 enterprise and because of this, I bump up against the 16
> GB limit about
> every 20 days.  Is there any way to access the Private store 
> to prune (or
> even delete) oversize mailboxes while the store is offline?  
> Also, is there
> any way to speed up eseutil while it's doing an offline 
> defragmentation?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Eric Fretz
> 
> L-3 Communications
> ComCept Division
> 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> Rockwall, TX 75032
> tel:   972.772.7501
> fax:  972.772.7510
> 
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