Can I get an "Amen"! Eric Fretz
L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have spent time in this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which are MS MVP's. You insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from MS as part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us are not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups costs us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you, our helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical than others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We have heard it a dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from essentially those same people. I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing by a person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a kind word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also understand that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time you notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking for, you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some MVP's listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS to add that to this new version. Just my two cents. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights. Let me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that is supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I get a rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice 4. I get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know what the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil relationship between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be civil. Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is not anything that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not somehow mean that I cannot extend an offer of civility. The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an offer of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you want to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's too bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished. > "Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to > continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to comprehend. I > would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over it, move on > and be civil. I have." > > I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, then why did > you feel the need to respond? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the MVP program. > Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. > the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to > some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a conflict of > interest and not something that professional IT personnel should > engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was > offered MVP status and turned it down because of this. > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
