Only if the chimps were using Microsoft Abacus 2003.... Eric Fretz
L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -----Original Message----- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Is there an MVP award for Chimps or the Abacus for that matter? -----Original Message----- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You still haven't demonstrated that the Conflict of Interest exists. Where's the conflict in me (an MS-leaning IT manager) hiring a MS-knowledgeable person to implement MS-based technology in my MS-based enterprise? The MVP I'm hiring has not swayed me towards the decision to *use* MS software. I've already made that call. If I decide to rip out all of my MS software and deploy chimpanzees with abacuses to run my business, I will hire staff/conslutants with comparable experience. Where's the frigging conflict of interest? > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the > hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your > decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end > all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the > case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own > personal gain. > > You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and > is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change > the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of > interest. > Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. > > > My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = > > standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to > > make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how > > should I proceed? > Let's take = > > the > > example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 > > > > First thing to be decided:=20 > > Do I want a generic technologist? > > Do I want an unrelated technology guru? > > Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? > > > > Assuming I choose the last option: > > Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able > to help with = > > my > > deployment after reading some books? > > Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate > their expertise > > somehow? > > > > The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP > status is, IMO. = > > You > > don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box > tops, as one = > > can > > do to get an MCSE. =20 > > > > You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will > > automatically recommend technology from their masters *for > their own = > > personal > > gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed > (to use him = > > as an > > example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = > > decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best > person I can = > > find > > and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
