Ok, lets try to clear something up. "Open Relay" is a very specific term within email systems, it is a defacto standard way of describing one particular configuration issue that, as Ed says, leaves you wide open to having a server used to send spam to others. It should have little or nothing to do with the amount of spam arriving at your organisation, other than the fact that a spammer may think that someone who is too clueless to close an open relay may also be too clueless to stop them from spamming your customers/users.
>From reading your messages, I'm thinking that when you talk about other exchange sites in your organisation being open relays, you are talking abou them being open in the sense that they are not as well protected against incoming spam as you are, and relays in the sense that they are in the same exchange org as you and are therefore behaving as all good exchange servers should and routing mail that arrives there addressed to mailboxes on your servers. Is that second paragraph a correct description of how you see the problem? If so, then you don't have an open relay (well you might, but its not connected to this issue at all), so it is best to avoid that term as you are confusing the issue. -- Robert Moir Microsoft MVP Senior IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees > Sent: 06 January 2004 10:43 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams > > You could be right to think that i don't understand my issue > as best as it should be, and that is the very same reason i > am trying to be as much explicit and detailed as possible, so > that i can get assisted. > > Don't you agree with me it will be more appropriate to ask me > questions about the whole issue to see if there is a better > way you can assist me in this? i am confident that way i can > clear out ur doubts regarding my understanding on this > subject, and in the process <hopefully> will come to a solution. > > many thanks Ed > > > > > > --- "Ed Crowley [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An open relay shouldn't get you spammed any more than usual. It > > allows you to be used to spam everyone else in the world, though. > > Perhaps you don't really understand what you're saying > about being an > > open relay. > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Re: getting heaps of spams > > > > let me see if i can explain my issue better this time! > > > > I am using Trend Micro ScanMail E manager which has content > filtering > > enabled, also running real-time scanner on exchange server. > > > > The problem is that all these exchange servers within the > enterprise > > (located different regions of the world )have trusts > between them and > > my exchange server will not stop anything that comes via another > > trusted exchange box -that sits, say in China etc. > > > > If Exchange server in China has relay open, its not that > box in china > > that gets spammed (as correctly pointed by Ed) but mine or other. > > > > We probably need to do something about this trusting between boxes. > > > > > > > > --- "John Q Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > gfi . . . good product. .. . bad support. > > > Trend = restful sleep every night. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:29 PM > > > Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams > > > > > > > > > > What is your opinion on gfi? > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tony Hlabse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Sounds like you in need of a spam solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Exchange Discussions" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams > > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:16:15 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed, thanks for your response. Getting spams > > on > > > my > > > > > exchange is a daily retual to me, however, not > > > as > > > > > much > > > > > as 4000 or more spam emails withing the hour. > > > > > > > > > > Last time, when i had such a high volume of > > > spam, we > > > > > had a look at \\exchange server\tracking.log > > and figured out that > > > > > one of the exchange server > > > within > > > > > the > > > > > enterprise had open for relaying. I can't > > > remember > > > > > now > > > > > how we worked it out then, but probably > > > experienced > > > > > heaps of entries from the spamming exchange > > > server. > > > > > > > > > > Hope i am making sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Ed Crowley [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > You can be completely relay secure yet get > > bombarded > with > > > > > spam. All > Exchange servers will let spam > > through. > > > Looking > > > > > at > > > > > > the Internet headers of > > > > > > each message will show the stamps of the > > > servers > > > > > > which handled the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > > > > > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > > > > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked > > Backups!T > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Jees > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:21 PM > > > To: Exchange > > > > > Discussions > Subject: getting heaps of spams > > > > i have > > > > > exchange 5.5 sp4 running on win 2k > > > sp4. We > > > > > > have number of exchanges > > > > > > around the globe that has trusts between > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am currently getting tens of thausands of > > > spam > > > > > > email, however my exchange > > > > > > is tested and has no relying problem. I am > > expecting > one of > > > > > the exchange > servers within the global > > enterprise is open > > > to > > > > > > relying. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone tell me how i can check which > > exchange > server > > > > > letting all these > spam email to drain to my > > server? > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you all in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! 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