RE: Orbz

Zangara, Jim Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:00:27 -0700

Title: RE: Orbz

Sorry - should have been more specific.

Not my exchange server. Client's pop3 ipswitch server set wide open for relay. Not on my network at all. Jerk of a client I am probably going to drop but I hate walking away from something that is half a**ed set up. Owner wants to send and receive his ixnet.com account from his office and won't take no for an answer.

Maybe if his corporate email starts bouncing....

Jim Zangara, MCSE+I
Special Projects Engineer
Premiere Radio Networks
A Division of Clear Channel Communications
15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Atherton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:16 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

VPN from home, or OWA.

You will not be able to send or receive mail from 20 % of population, if you are on Open Relay List.

-----Original Message-----
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

What are the consequences of an open relay? I know of one that I cannot get them to change because one users wants to send email from his home account. It makes me angry but they will not listen. Maybe if I show them some valid reason other than being black listed they might wake up.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

> And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is
determining how we as admins set up our systems.

When your system is configured as an open relay, then spammers are able to
steal your resources and use them to steal other people's resources. They're
not forcing anyone to use their lists - the lists are available as a service
only. The people who use those lists have chosen not to receive mail from
open relays. They're merely protecting their own property from misguided
and/or malicious property owners/caretakers such as those who run open
relays.

You are free to ignore them, if you wish. But you must be prepared to deal
with the consequences if you do.

BTW, Siegfried, how's that Event Sink coming to allow E2K to use the RBL?

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

I have been watching my IMS queue. I haven't found any from ORBZ but from
ORBS Mail-abuse, RBS or something like that and two others I just can't
remember.

I haven't had a problem with them removing me from there lists, usually
takes less than a day and usually in a few hours.

I don't like the fact that you get black listed and you are not notified.
And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining
how we as admins set up our systems. I know I can't fight it, but it is the
way it is.

Joseph "Radar" Mann, MCT, MCSE
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-----Original Message-----
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent:   Monday, August 27, 2001 11:16 AM
To:     MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:        RE: Orbz

Individual mail admins can block on their own, even without using one of the
"blackhole" lists.

Also check www.mail-abuse.org to make sure you're not in their RBL.

-Michèle
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:10 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the
Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us.

Anybody have a good list of which are the sites that do this blocking stuff.

What a pain.

Joseph "Radar" Mann, MCT, MCSE
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-----Original Message-----
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent:   Monday, August 27, 2001 10:37 AM
To:     MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:        RE: Orbz

Hey, Bill, check out this page: http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php
<http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php>

<quote>
Use this page to report a closed relay. The host that
you report will be removed from our blackhole list
and added to our queue for testing. It will then be
marked as clean if it does not allow relaying, or
readded to one or more of our lists if it does.
</quote>

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-----Original Message-----
From: missy koslosky [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:30 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Orbz

Same thing, renamed, AFAIK.

M
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Orbz

ps. this is "ORBZ" not "ORBS" which was IIRC shut down.

-Michèle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Drewski [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

They don't say anything. They don't reply to email, remember?

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:06 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

What do they say when you ask them how to get off the list.

-Michèle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Higgins [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:54 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Orbz

I don't mind you testing,

When you say I am correct, you mean "correct, your machines are configured
not to relay"

I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is "f*ck
you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove
anything to you."

-----Original Message-----
From: David James [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Orbz

You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you
got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's
totally automated though, so good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Higgins [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Orbz

Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org
<http://www.orbz.org>

They say that my gateway machines are an "open relay". We are using the SMTP
service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A

I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal
servers.

Bill Higgins
Lead NT Systems Engineer
(415) 402-3444 office
(415) 720-7053 cell
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