Title: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?-I guess you can' t

You can't.  Maybe Kevin Snook already has a utility to help you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:52 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?-I guess you
can' t


How do I set up a "catch all" postmaster account that accepts all mail
except those with specific mailboxes WITHOUT having to build a list of
bogus e-mail address that will be accepted.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Lawrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:24 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?-I guess you
can' t


I've not read all of this email so I may be repeating what has already
been said, so apologies if that is the case, but there are 2 things
you
can do.

You can set up a 'catch-all' postmaster account that would receive
these
emails, or you can add these email addresses as secondary proxy email
addresses to other mailboxes, i.e. the administrators.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 October 2001 14:21
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?-I guess you
can' t


Yes, I realized that after I sent it.  The real problem is that I am
up to over 60 non-existent e-mail addresses.  I don't want to have to
track each bounce and manually add it to the distribution list.  More
preferably, I would like to block (issue a reject) the message before
it even gets into the input queue.  This might discourage the
spammers.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:43 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?-I guess you
can' t


> The idea of dropping the messages in a black hole won't do what I
wish:
an NDR will be sent to the sender.

Huh?  If you assign an smtp address to a DL with no members, the
message
just disappears & no NDR is sent.

or am I just confused 'cause I've been sick?

-Michèle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?-I guess you
can't


From the comments here, it seems that you can't set up exchange 5.5 to
do
what I was originally looking to do:  Either reject outright a message
without a mailbox, or simply not send an NDR for a message without a
mailbox.

This seems to be what I am hearing?  Is this correct?

The idea of dropping the messages in a black hole won't do what I
wish:  an
NDR will be sent to the sender.

Steve Jacobson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?


Always a good thing to think, especially if it reduces your
workload/aggravation quotient.
-----Original Message-----
From: Toni, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?


That's a good idea (I'll create it but then just won't tell anyone
else -
theoretically still busy....)
Now that's 2 people on this list that have made me think today.  Is
this a
good thing?  :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Ely [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: October 17, 2001 11:59 AM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:      RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?
>
> Because if I create a "Black Hole" I/we don't have to do anything...
>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>       Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:31 AM
>       To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>       Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange 5.5?
>
>
>       why don't you create a public folder, make it visible, add
those
> smtp addresses into it and set it to clear itself out every day.
>
>
>
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>               Sent: 17 October 2001 15:56
>               To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>               Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange
5.5?
>
>
>
>               if you think it's subscriptions, then you can try to
unsub
> them.  I've had some success doing so.  Sometimes you have to view
the
> source document, and cut/paste the url.
>
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From: Toni, Randy [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>               Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:06 AM
>               To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>               Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange
5.5?
>
>
>               me too.  In a previous post I asked if a message could
be
> rejected if it had
>               a bogus username (no NDR, no nothing - just kill it in
the
> initial SMTP
>               conversation).  The kind folks here informed me
recently
> that Exchange will
>               only check the domain and not "really" check the
entire
> address against the
>               GAL (although I think the docs on securing an Exchange
relay

> are a bit
>               ambiguous in that regard), so the fake username gets
in.
> I'm trying to find
>               the time to evaluate some content inspection
products -
> hopefully one of
>               them will be able to look at the Exchange userlist and
drop
> incoming based
>               on that criteria.
>
>               It is nice for legit users to get an NDR - God knows
how
> many honest typo's
>               are made every day.  But it would be cool if you could
tell
> your IMS to
>               track NDR's and if enough are going back to the same
sending

> domain or
>               server, maybe start to drop any incoming from them (or
> someting like
>               that...).  That way legit NDR's would go out to the
legit
> senders, but the
>               flood of NDR's to these junker systems could be
killed.  In
> other words,
>               AFAIK a lot more control over handling
non-deliverables at
> the server would
>               be great.
>
>               randy
>
>               > -----Original Message-----
>               > From: Steve Jacobson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>               > Sent: October 17, 2001 9:57 AM
>               > To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>               > Subject:      RE: How can you reject messages in
Exchange
> 5.5?
>               >
>               > I am receiving messages, directed to my Exchange
server
> that are in my
>               > domain name (dji.com), but have no corresponding
mailbox
> on the
>               > system.
>               >
>               > Yes, I have secured Exchange against open relay.
>               >
>               > My suspicion is that someone (single or multiple
people)
> are
>               > registering with opt-in (or out) commercial sites
that
> send out
>               > periodic newsletters, using some phony mailboxes
(although

> some
>               > addresses look real (i.e. kimokran) into my domain
> (@dji.com).
>               >
>               > Since I administer the site, and have set the
> administrator account to
>               > intercept all bounced messages, I see these in the
> administrator's
>               > mailbox.  I also see a bounced NDR when the reply-to
> address in the
>               > spam message is phony.
>               >
>               > I get a couple of hundred of these messages per day.
>               >
>               > I have thought about a unix box, but I'd rather not
get
> into that
>               > right now because of the additional hardware expense
and
> time
>               > commitment.  An open-source mail server that runs on
Win2K

> might be
>               > the answer if it had the capability I need.
>               >
>               > I would really like some way of rejecting a
non-delivered
> message
>               > during it's initial transmission to the server, or
if that

> is not
>               > possible, to simply purge the message from the input
queue

> and not
>               > send an NDR back to the sender.
>               >
>               > Steve Jacobson
>               > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>               >
>               > -----Original Message-----
>               > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>               > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:05 AM
>               > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>               > Subject: RE: How can you reject messages in Exchange
5.5?
>               >
>               >
>               > What do you mean by "non-existent mail boxes on my
> system"?  Are they
>               > your
>               > domain name or someone else's?
>               > Have you secured against open relay?
>               > <
> <http://www.exchangeadmin.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7696>>
>               > also available here:
>               > <
> <http://downloads.members.tripod.com/ladysun1969/misc/relay.tif>>
>               >
>               > That said, I think that according to RFCs,
everything is
> working the
>               > way
>               > it's supposed to work.  I don't know of any 3rd
party
> filtering tools
>               > that
>               > don't cost an arm & a leg.  However, if this is
really
> important to
>               > you,
>               > perhaps you should set up some sort of Unix box to
handle
> your SMTP
>               > mail -
>               > many Unix SMTP mail programs are infinitely
configurable
> for blocking
>               > mail.
>               >
>               > Good luck!
>               >
>               > -Michèle
>               > Immigration site:  <
<http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>>
>               > Our new 2001 Miata:  <
> <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>>
>               > Tiggercam:  < <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>>
>



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> it. - Gene
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>



           > ---------------------------------------------------------
>               >
>               >
>               > -----Original Message-----
>               > From: Steve Jacobson [
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>               > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:52 AM
>               > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>               > Subject: How can you reject messages in Exchange
5.5?
>               >
>               >
>               > I am currently running an Exchange 5.5 (SP4) with
about 12

> mailboxes.
>               >
>               > I get tons (couple of hundred) of spam messages
addressed
> to
>               > non-existent mail boxes on my system.  I would like
> somehow to reject
>               > these messages before they get in the input queue.
If
> this isn't
>               > possible, I would like Exchange to just throw them
away
> and not send
>               > an NDR back to the originator.
>               >
>               > Are these possible to do with Exchange 5.5, and if
so,
> how?
>               >
>               > I am a small shop and cannot afford the big $ for
e-mail
> filtering
>               > programs.  Are there any inexpensive add-on programs
that
> would help
>               > me out?
>               >
>               > Thanks in advance.
>               >
>               > Steve Jacobson
>               > [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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