Is there a top-pick for an AV product to run with BackupExec on an Exchange server (or any other server for that matter) to do some real-time scanning? I think 4 products -- Norman, Sophos, Sybari, CA (ooops -- I hope I didn't break the Federal law mentioned in a earlier thread by including that one in this sentence) have all been discussed here -- OK so I really have 3 choices (heh). If I went with BackupExec (never worked with it before) does any one AV product top the list as a "best companion" for this particular product?
I hope this is not a stupid question - I see some content filtering vendors make recommendations as to which AV to plug in (if not their own), but as far as a backup component goes, should I be too worried? A (very fast) look at the Veritas site did not clue me in for their product. I see they can do a v-scan on the fly as a backup runs, but I'm not sure if what they use for an engine, or if it can extend to real-time scans. It's almost beer time on a friday afternoon, so I'm quite unable to sort this (or anything else) out at this particular point in time. a great weekend to all randy > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Peitzke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: November 2, 2001 4:24 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: CA Meeting > > >>anyone know what the latest version of Backup > Exec is?<< > > BackupExec for NT/200 Release 8.6 - works great for us, backing up a > mixture > of NT & W2K servers and Exchange online. > > :o) Bob Peitzke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Aalberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:04 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: CA Meeting > > > I'd print this page out an show it to them: > http://www.clarksupport.com/whynotca.htm > > I use Arcserve 6.x. Had lots of problems, but it does do the job, for the > most part. Not going to go to Arc2000 at all. > I've already dumped Inoculan on all my servers and clients and went with > Trend. It is 1000 times the products of Inoculan. > When it comes time to upgrade to Arc2000 BU (which is now), I am going to > install Backup Exec. > > My biggest grip with CA is licensing. To much of their code is doing > licensing and I've had NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS with it. > Licenses dropped, valid licenses turning invalid after 90 days, etc. > totally sucks. Try to get a license for 6.x and they say "upgrade" and we > do it. > > so, I am going to upgrade..... anyone know what the latest version of > Backup > Exec is? :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Martin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:18 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: CA Meeting > > > > Let them know that the majority of a 6000 subscribed email list despise > > their products.....for starters..... > > > > Hell, I'd print William's email and give them a copy. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sean Martin, MCSE > > Network Administrator > > Ribelin Lowell & Company > > Insurance Brokers, Inc. > > 3111 C Street, Suite 300 > > Anchorage, Alaska 99503 > > Ph: (907) 561-1250 > > Fax: (907) 561-4315 > > Cell: (907) 229-0885 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Micciche Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:10 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: CA Meeting > > > > > > This is really making my day. I will have CA in my office today at 2:00 > > PM. > > Why are they coming? Well my opinions really didn't matter when I > worked > > for a pidly little 25 million dollar company. Now that I am with a > > fortune > > 500 company, and I am canceling all of their products and replacing them > > at > > every opportunity with direct competitors- NOW my opinion matters to > them. > > > > Greatest beef with them- Tech support. I absolutely can not understand > a > > damn word any of their techs say to me. They balked at that, but said > > they > > were still "very concerned". Guess what? I tape recorded a > conversation > > I > > had with Inoculate IT License Compliance on Tuesday. After I play the > > tape > > for them they are going to receive a grin from ear to ear- and be > escorted > > out of the building. > > > > Anyone want me to bring anything else up at 2:00? ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:59 PM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Computer Associates > > > > > > Personally, I don't mind vendors participating as long as they are > > reactive > > and not proactive. This is not a sales floor. > > > > The example I presented to them was that of Macromedia Software. They > pay > > someone to answer questions in peer forums. They do not market their > > products or try to upsell. They just answer difficult questions. > > Sometimes > > that includes a "Sorry, our product can't do that." > > > > I have 'invited' CA here many times, by emailing every address I could > > find > > at www.cai.com. This time they answered. I imagine it might have to do > > with the 46% decline in revenue for fiscal period ending September 30, > > 2001. > > But I speculate. > > > > The CA bashing is getting old. We can only come up with so many > > euphimisms > > for ArcServeIT [1]. > > > > William > > > > [1] ArghServeIT. AckServeIT. ArcSmurf. ArkWreckIT. ArcServeS*it. > > UnNerveIT. etc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Boswell Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:58 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Computer Associates > > > > > > "In the past it has not been their policy to participate in these forums > > because vendors aren't always treated very well." > > > > Would that be vendors in general, or just ones who produce lousy, > > unreliable > > products with a comical level of support, and expect people to use them > to > > get business critical systems back up and running in the event of a > > disaster > > which was quite possibly caused from using said product in the first > > place? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 02 November 2001 16:38 > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: Computer Associates > > > > > > CA contacted me, concerned about posts I've made regarding their > products. > > In the past it has not been their policy to participate in these forums > > because vendors aren't always treated very well. They are reconsidering > > this policy. > > > > William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP > > > > Here is the list of ACTUAL quotes I assembled for them in response to > > their > > sudden concern (I did not include names, but these are from public > > forums): > > > > When someone made a comment like this: > > > > -"We have bought Arcserve 2000 w/ the backup agent for Exchange to > backup > > our Exchange Server and have been having nothing but problems." - Saul, > > October 10, 2001 > > > > The ACTUAL replies were as follows: > > > > -"Do you really want us to go for the entire day about how HORRIBLE of a > > product Jerkserv is/???? NTBACK2k [1] is 1000 times better. Return the > > Jerkserv and install Backup Exec" > > > > -"The best thing to do with CA products, is to place them in the > dumpster, > > where they belong." > > > > -"We have been using Arcserve 2000 for awhile now and I would have to > say > > that it DOES SUCK." > > > > -"why do people buy that program? I have never heard anyone say anything > > nice about it?" > > > > -"Don't get started on that crappy as*s piece of software." > > > > > > Other comments about CA software, by those who actually use it: > > > > -"Let me clue you in on something. I've got a good friend at > > CA - he told me that they have a bad time getting their E2K servers > backed > > up > > using their product!!!!" > > > > -"ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the > arse, > > breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on?" > > > > -"Arcserve does an excellent job of backup things up, it's > > downfall is the ability to restore things...." > > > > -"Arcserve and anything is not a good choice." > > > > -"I agree on Arcserve, which is the lowliest of backup products anyway." > > > > -"Arcserve and a dumpster are a perfect fit." > > > > -"There's only so much overtime one man can do, and my quota's > > fully taken by using AarghServe" > > > > -"Run away! Fast! Seriously. There are very few here who like working > with > > ANY CA products even if they inherit them, much less ask for them." > > > > -"you can switch to arcserve if your current backup is too fast for you" > > > > > -"Running Innoculan was somewhat akin to flogging myself." > > > > -"I've only purchased a few products from CA and the support was > > absolutely horrid. I have had other system administrators with the same > > experience. Most of the products themselves were very good until CA > > buys the company, then the support seems to go down the tubes." > > > > -"I can't seem to get ARCServe to back up my (WINNT 4.0 SP6) Exchange > > server > > 5.5 SP2 data files." > > > > -"EjaculateIT has worked well for us as a desktop antivirus solution for > > our > > office, but for the Exchange Agent, I'd recommend hiring a tibetan monk > to > > analyse code segments manually for viral patterns than ever recommend > this > > piece of crap clearly written by laid off AOL programmers." > > > > -"The last time I remember any kind of success with ArcServe was when > > Computer > > Associates didn't own it and it was running on Novell. Ever since > Computer > > Associates got involved, it has become unreliable garbage." > > > > -"Yes, although usually alot of things tend to not work after a CA > product > > is > > installed." > > > > -"When it comes time to update CA's stuff, maybe an alternative would be > > in > > order > > here." > > > > -"in my short time in the IT industry InoculateIT 4.53 is the worst > piece > > of > > software I have had the displeasure > > to work with. Closely followed by Arcserve." > > > > -"I don't feel like playing with ArcServe**It right now." > > > > -"I just started a new job. they have this SQL server that is all hosed > > up. I uninstall JarkServ and it all worked better : > no more problems > > go figure." > > > > -"Don't use arcserve - its horrible." > > > > -"We cannot get a good IS backup using ArcServe2000..." > > > > -"Given the knowledge (or lack or it) exhibited by various CA > > techs, I trust them about as far as I can throw them." > > > > -"You hate ARCServe? Can't understand why. Don't you like being pummeled > > by > > a brain-dead licensing and registration process that's just an extra > added > > bit of torture?" > > > > -"when we moved to Exchange instead of Netscape Messaging Server, we > > discovered that Arcserve wasn't too friendly" > > > > -"If our damn Arcserve was working could have restored the whole box, > but > > it > > has been failing > > for a while." > > > > -"We use InocIT because the tech people aren't making enough of the > buying > > decisions around here. I would choose anything but InocIT. Actually I > > would stay away from any CA product..." > > > > -"A search on ArcServe's tech support FAQs revealed nothing." > > > > -"licensing was the worst aspect of CAI products. Make that 2nd worst, > > after > > tech support" > > > > -"ArcWreckIT will do exactly that..." > > > > -"Arcserve backups have been failing and I haven't got a backup." > > > > -"this InoculateIT software sucks!" > > > > -"I gave up using Arcserve 2000 - went back to using NTBackup, and then > > onto > > Backup Exec." > > > > -"I hate ArcServe... I am holding my breath until we get the new servers > > up > > and running -- and they won't be > > using ArcServe." > > > > -"I am a fully signed up member of the CA bashing bandwagon." > > > > -"We unfortunately still use InnoculateIT on the desktops. Innoculate > > couldn't catch a virus if it were sprinkled with anthrax powder." > > > > -"Unfortunately, yes, I have tried the CA support site. Spent 3 > > hours going round in circles on it trying to find a decent answer!!" > > > > -"the answer would be, 'Anything but Arcserve.'" > > > > -"Federal law prohibits using the words "CA", "Exchange" and "scan" in > the > > same sentence." > > > > -"...having nothing at all is better than having InnoculateIT because > then > > you don't have a false sense of security?" > > > > -"It tells me the Database is corrupted. THANK YOU COMPUTER > ASSOCIATES!" > > > > -"It goes great with the Inoculan Antivirus and Log File > > Discombobulator system from Compooter Assoshiates." > > > > -"A similar thing happened to me when installing Computer Associate's > > Inoculate IT according to the installation instructions on their CD. I > do > > not recall exactly all the changes I made, but it had to do with > > permissions > > and/or search privileges. CA sent the "proper" installation > instructions > > via email saying, "Oh yeah, the instructions on the CD are wrong". It > > still > > took several hours with PSS to get things back to normal.... > > I don't know if this helps or if is just another anti-CA rant." > > > > -"We are trying to set up Arcserve 2000 to backup our Exchange 2000 > > server, > > we > > have bought the Exchange backup agent but are having a hell of a time > > trying > > to set it up!!!!" > > > > -"ahem, I think that this just might be another quality CA experience." > > > > -"We bought ARCserve but it's just sitting here, unused and unloved." > > > > > > Still, I close with a Haiku discussion from an Exchange Discussions > forum, > > which in its own way summarizes sentiment about your products : > > > > It's Five-Seven-Five > > Your first line was only four > > Go Punish yourself > > > > I screwed up haiku > > So must now punish myself > > Installing arcserv > > > > Installing Arcserve > > Is not enough punishment > > You must make it work. > > > > And backup alone > > Is not good enough either. > > You must restore too. > > > > And when you are done > > Please call CA and let them > > Know how you did it > > > > List Charter and FAQ at: > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm > > > > List Charter and FAQ at: > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm > > > > List Charter and FAQ at: > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm > > > > List Charter and FAQ at: > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm > > DO NOT read, copy or disseminate this communication unless you are the > > intended addressee. 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