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-----Original Message----- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Yea, that's what I am going to wind up doing. I will bring a W2K laptop and install the Exadmin on it. Will this work on W2K pro or does it need to be server? We have TechNet so I wont need a demo to install it. I would reinstall the tape drive but the idiots can find it so I am stuck in that situation. Anyway, some of the logfile have been moved from the Exchange partition to another and there isn't enough space to put those log files back. I will have to compress all that I can to get them back on there which is almost like 2GB. Once I get all the log files in place I will perform the backup using NTBackup and hopefully this problem will be solved. As far as who is handling the installation, it is a lost cause. This company is cheap and doesn't listen to our recommendations. I told them to purchase the Exchange Agent about 4 months ago when this issue first arrived. Since it was working they choose to ignore me. I gave them the alternate solution of using BackupExec which was previously installed on the box to back up the other server since it already had the Agent. Its hard working for cheapskates that only care about things when they start to have problems. Well let me get to work and see what happens! -----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Yes, that is correct. Run setup, select the admin portion only and NTBackup is replaced with an Exchange-aware version. Heck, in Paul's case, he could download a demo of W2K server, throw it on a P133, install exchange5.5 admin, run NTBackup over the wire to disk in a pinch. Otherwise, whoever is handling this installation should be replaced. Just my thoughts. William -----Original Message----- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Correct me if I am wrong, that when you install ExAdmin, it makes Ntbackup Exchange-aware ? Sorry, William , I have (unfort.) never used Ntbackup for Exchange backups (always inherited environments) -----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:48 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -----Original Message----- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -----Original Message----- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -----Original Message----- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! 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