Oh...  is that an XML tag?  <DonElyWord>?  It seems to have not been closed.

William 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:55 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


Maybe he meant have the SQL admins who know their <DonElyWord> Teach you how
to do exchange backups.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond
He's a Dentist, a Detective, a MindReader, No He is in IT.....


-----Original Message-----
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


>>Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

How do I keep myself from the Exchange backup?  What do you do if/when SQL
becomes the database engine for Exchange?

William 


-----Original Message-----
From: Cross, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:15 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


  I second that, we recently moved some servers up to one of those data
warehouse companies and they attempted to use open file manager to backup
our Exchange box.  They swore up and down to me that they could do it
without the Agent for NetBackup.  I called their bluff and scheduled
disaster recovery testing and spent several days watching them scratch their
heads.  One backup using the agent and a quick restore was what it finally
took to show the SQL gurus how painless it is when you use the right tools.

  Keep your SQL admins the heck away from your Exchange backups!

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups


NIET! Open file manager may be fine for SQL databases, MDB files, but
Exchnage is more than just a pair of EDB files. There are a lot of actions
that are controled by/performed by the Exchange agent that an open file
manager/open file agent has no fricking idea about.

If you are going to use a backup service other than what comes with
Exchange, use a product that supports Exchange.

Unless you really like explaining why your 10grand system can't restore the
CFO's budget from last week.

John M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Brick Level Backups


I have seen posts from people stating that Brick Level Backups of Exchange
are bad. I was just discussing this with a fellow engineer and wanted to
find out the reason why the Brick Level Backups are bad. What the issues
with this type of Backup? If Brick level Backups are bad then why purchase
an Exchange Agent for whatever backup app thats being used when you could
just use a Open File Agent which should backup the Store & Directory files.
Any info would be appreciated. TIA!
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