You "should" exclude from your file level backup Any and All of your
\exchsrvr directories. In may case, they are on Drives c:\, d:\, e:\, and
F:\. Since I have run optimizer a few times and added more disks to our
Exchange server.

Once you exclude these directories, the Exchange Aware backup will
completely backup your Exchange system, and the file system backup will back
up the rest of your files on this server. Backing up there \exchsrvr
directories will both fail because log files are open, and take longer as it
continues to try to back them up.

Treat the file system backups the same as you would you Anti-Virus Scanning
against this server - exclude the \exchsrvr directories, and all will be
happy.

Dennis 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Peitzke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:06 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Cc: Bob Peitzke
Subject: RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup


Hi, Dennis,

>>These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from
the
file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on.<<

Yes. The messages are out of the BackupExec logs.  Sorry, I should have made
that more clear.

>>There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup,
where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories.
The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the "Microsoft
Exchange Server", and the information store and the directory.<<

Yes again - that's exactly what we are doing.

Missy's comment leads me to believe that I don't have a problem, and that I
can just deselect these log directories from the backup selections, and not
worry about it.  Unless somebody tells me different, I can start sleeping
better now  :o)

- Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Atherton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:14 PM
To: 'MS-Exchange Admin Issues'
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup


Bob:

These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from the
file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on.

There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup,
where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories.
The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the "Microsoft
Exchange Server", and the information store and the directory. In this
context, Exchange Server means the application and data associated with
Exchange, not the hardware server that Exchange is running on.

If this seems to 'Thick" give me a call I am "local" to you - Ventura, CA.  
Dennis Atherton
Senior Technical Services Specialist
Affinity Group
2575 Vista Del Mar Drive
Ventura, CA 93063
E-Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone 805-667-4377
Fax 805-667-4421
Cell Phone 805-701-0342


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Peitzke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:50 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Repost: Question on log files with online backup


I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response.  But nobody flamed
me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again
...

We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using
BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular
logging is disabled.  

I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs:

-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
IMS Volume:
--------------------
Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped.
Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata
Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped.
. . .
Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped.
Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped.
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped.
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped.
. . .
Log Files Volume:
----------------------------
Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped.
Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA
Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped.
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory
(entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level
priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open.

The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then
purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals.

Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a
current system in case of failure.  If I restore the database but not
uncommitted logs, have  we just lost some recent messages?

Advice?

TIA

Bob Peitzke
Information Systems Manager
Sander A. Kessler & Associates
Santa Monica, CA, USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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