You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely.
So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -----Original Message----- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -----Original Message----- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -----Original Message----- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is "last time we paid". We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -----Original Message----- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -----Original Message----- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -----Original Message----- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -----Original Message----- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. 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