I'm still laughing... On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Maglinger, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How did you refrain from hysterics? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:50 AM > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Small Fopah > > How did you refrain from hysterical laughter when you saw the file size? > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Michael B. Smith < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The largest exchange store I've ever seen was 3.5 TB. It was never >> backed up. The project was – you guessed – to make it manageable. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP >> >> My blog: >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael<http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael> >> >> Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange >> >> >> >> *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:19 AM >> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: Small Fopah >> >> >> >> Anyone ever seen a 600GB database? How about 2 of them? >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Michael B. Smith < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Microsoft guidance says that if you are doing streaming backups, you >> should >> target 35 GB per store as an opti-max value, never exceeding 50 GB. >> >> If you are doing VSS backups, never exceed 100 GB. >> >> If you are doing continuous replication backups (that is, backing up the >> passive copy), never exceed 200 GB. >> >> These are recommendations, not "we won't support you if you exceed these >> values". The right answer for a given company for the maximum size of a >> store is: whatever you can backup and restore within your SLA. >> >> MSFT recommends that you ignore SIS when planning for the size of your >> mailbox stores. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP >> My blog: >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael<http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael> >> Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michelle Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:05 AM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Small Fopah >> >> One large store in Exchange 2003 isn't a good thing. I know in Exchange >> 2000, one giant store worked fine, but in 2003, it changed. We had a >> gigantic store, 163 GB (or some ridiculous number like that). We never >> could >> have recovered it, and it wasn't backing up properly because one backup >> wouldn't be finished when the next one wanted to start. No matter how we >> tried to tweak the timing, it never seemed to work. Log files never >> purged, >> hard drives filled up, Exchange went offline. It was ugliness all around. >> >> We broke the one store into 4 information stores with several databases in >> each one, trying to keep the database files smaller than 30 GB. I can't >> remember where I found that "magic number", very well could have been some >> random thing I dreamed up, but we didn't have problems with Exchange going >> offline after that. >> >> We had no mailbox quotas and no limit to attachments either. A silly, >> silly >> way to run Exchange, but the very importants didn't seem to care much for >> the finer points of the technology. They just wanted complete freedom. I >> spent a month moving mailboxes into the other stores, after hours, then >> ran >> an offline defrag on the emptied store to get the space back. Every month >> I'd send notes to people with extremely large mailboxes (more than 500 >> MB). >> The subject line read "Piggy mailboxes", and I included instructions for >> cleaning up mailboxes. It offended many customers, but it also shamed them >> into cleaning out the garbage. >> >> Remember, if the size of the database is 100 GB prior to a big purge >> effort >> and the customers delete 50 GB of crap, the size of the database remains >> 100 >> GB, but the store still has 50 GB to grow before it will get bigger than >> the >> 100 GB it was before the cleanup. An offline defrag is required to get the >> empty space back, but the store won't grow again until the amount of data >> grows back to the original size, as if that empty 50 GB of data is just a >> placeholder, waiting to be filled. >> >> Either way, you didn't commit a faux pas. The way you're running it, with >> the exception of the no quota thing, is considered best practice, not one >> large store. >> >> >> >> Michelle Weaver >> Systems Administrator, Materials Research Institute >> Penn State University >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 8:26 PM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: Small Fopah >> >> Oh magic genies of Exchange, (Rubbing furiously) >> >> >> >> Well I believe about a year ago I made a Exchange Fopah with my Stores. >> Exch 2003 Sp2, Enterprise >> >> >> >> The thinking was that data in the main Store is growing quite large and >> the recovery time with our current backup tape drive would have taken 12 >> to 14 hours..So Veritas estimated.. verified with a tech on the >> line..yadda yadda.. >> >> >> >> Mgmt was not happy with that wanted it to be lower without spending >> money and wanted the stores broken up by Groups.. Admin Staff, Finance, >> Sales, etc.. >> >> The desire was to be able to recover someone's folder or data more >> quickly than having to do an entire IS recovery of all mailboxes and >> just recover the depts. Store data.. >> >> >> >> So I broke it up knowing that SIS would be lost if Email went across >> stores.. It was brought up to mgmt but they said the majority of email >> was dept localized. I didn't think so and did not fight hard enough, >> but.. Now fast forward a year and we are sitting with 5 stores but oh >> look they all have grown at about the same rate because they send email >> to everyone regardless so I now make a copy 5 times for every email and >> attachment.. >> >> Did I mention that they refused to set store limits and mandated 20gig >> file transfers allowed via SMTP..Oh I lost that one hard... CEO had to >> be able to send videos to his other buddies and the dept heads as well.. >> >> >> >> So now the question...I am 99.9999% sure that moving all of the >> mailboxes back into the same store will result in one store being the >> size of the sum of all 5 stores combined... Am I right there?? >> >> >> >> Any suggestions now that they are separated and essentially is just >> taking up more space... >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ >> ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja >> >> ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ >> ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ >> >> >> ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ >> ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
