While I appreciate the concerns here -- and being an Exchange list, this obviously concerns our livelihood -- business is already willing to outsource portions of their actual operations, including privacy-related data.
If they've already accepted that risk (whether they should or not), then there's no doubt in my mind that they'll accept the risk to outsource email, except maybe in certain compliance situations. The pricing makes sense for just about any size organization. And there's plenty of competition in the market, so I'm not sure that vendors will be gouging folks after the first contract is up... --James On 6/26/09, Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) <john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil> wrote: > While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of the > business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside the > walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same > outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you > outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or > not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. > > > > John H. Matteson, Jr. > > Systems Administrator/ITT Systems > > Forward Operating Base Orgun-E > > Afghanistan > > DSN - 318 431 8001 > > VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 > > Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 > > Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 > > > > > > Molōn labe! > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to > be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not > email. Not collaboration software. > > > > IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't > their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) > [john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > Hi Kevin; > > > > I wasn't the one that was asking about that. > > > > While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on > business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing > websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? > I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the > business. I've made the same argument about businesses running their mail > through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or > choked off due to "equipment failures" and other things. > > > > John H. Matteson, Jr. > > Systems Administrator/ITT Systems > > Forward Operating Base Orgun-E > > Afghanistan > > DSN - 318 431 8001 > > VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 > > Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 > > Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 > > > > > > Molōn labe! > > > > From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | > Large Org >1000 > > BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services > > > > And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you > talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. > The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . > The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. > > > > From: Don Ely [mailto:don....@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > Small Org? I don't know either! :P > > 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) > <john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil> > > SMORG's???? > > > > Okay, I know I've been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the last > three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the glossary of > acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left > civilization. > > > > John H. Matteson, Jr. > > Systems Administrator/ITT Systems > > Forward Operating Base Orgun-E > > Afghanistan > > DSN - 318 431 8001 > > VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 > > Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 > > Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 > > > > > > Molōn labe! > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > I can't think that anyone is scared that "Exchange will go away". I think > that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really > hard - SMORGs to the cloud. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > Naw. Different CC. > > > > I'm curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this > article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their > offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. > Stu? > > > > From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > If you mean MCC, then yes. J > > > > From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > OCC the school? > > > > From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any > organization that really uses Exchange for more than passing email messages > back and forth... Gmail just doesn't have the same feature set yet... > > > > I use gmail to host my own personal domain and I have a number of friends > who do too. The main reason I went with Google is because it was free. The > ads aren't intrusive, so I can deal with them. > > > > I wouldn't be surprised if my domain and theirs were counted in the 1.75 > million businesses who are using Google apps.. how do they know I'm not a > business? So, the number may be accurate as far as Google's counting on the > number of group "domains" but it still likely doesn't provide the whole > picture. > > > > I can confirm that Google is offering their service for free to schools. I > have a friend who's an admin at a community college in Michigan that just > moved all their student's email accounts over to gmail... No cost to the > college. > > > > > > From: Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:06 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at the > corporate end. While that may be their goal, they've been saying that for > many years. The same holds true for the MS Office "cloud" model. > > > > Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, > etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are > replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none > of them had Exchange. And I'm sure the schools are getting a huge break on > it (if not for free). > > > > Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it's been free. I also > don't think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a > cost to the end user. > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > "Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps"? 1.75 million USERS > I would believe, not businesses. > > > > Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a cloud > service too. > > > > It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable > competition. > > > > Carl > > > > From: Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html > > > > > > > > Roger Wright > > Network Administrator > > Evatone, Inc. > > 727.572.7076 x388 > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ -- Sent from my mobile device ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
