What's wrong with Wisconsin? I don't live there, not from there, just want to know.
2009/6/26 Michael B. Smith <mich...@owa.smithcons.com> > Email is a commodity. Hosted Exchange is a commodity. Now, when I first > set up a hosted Exchange company in 1999, it was pretty rare...but not > today. > > If you have something that differentiates your business (such as your drug > pipeline in the case of a pharma company) - you sure don't outsource that. > > But commodities? They aren't worth it. > > Insofar as being held hostage or "mail is being tapped/copied and sold off > to some third party"... well, that's what contracts are for. And > realistically, that's no different than having someone "go bad" inside your > IT organization. > > Anyway, this spirit of discourse and disagreement is what makes the "world > go 'round". > > All IMHO. YMMV. Void in the state of Wisconsin. :-) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [ > john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] > *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2009 7:33 AM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > While I can see that as a rational for pushing IT outside the walls of > the business, I still think it is a poor move. If you push your IT outside > the walls you are setting yourself up to be held hostage by that same > outsourcing company when it comes time to renew the agreement. If you > outsource your mail to a hosted service, you have no clue as to whether or > not your mail is being tapped/copied and sold off to some third party. > > > > John H. Matteson, Jr. > > Systems Administrator/ITT Systems > > Forward Operating Base Orgun-E > > Afghanistan > > DSN - 318 431 8001 > > VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 > > Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 > > Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 > > > > > > *Molōn labe!* > > > > *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:57 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > GSKs business is pharma (and I bet using that word will cause this email to > be blocked by some people). They develop, pipeline, and market drugs. Not > email. Not collaboration software. > > > > IT, other than IT that helps them develop, pipeline, and market drugs isn't > their core competency. Let someone who does it well do it for them. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [ > john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22 AM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > Hi Kevin; > > > > I wasn't the one that was asking about that. > > > > While I can understand a small time business wanting to concentrate on > business and not on servers, i.e. Exchange servers, IIS for customer facing > websites, etc, why would a business like GSK want to outsource their mail? > I would think that they would want to keep business information inside the > business. I've made the same argument about businesses running their mail > through companies/services such as POSTINI where it can get leaked out or > choked off due to "equipment failures" and other things. > > > > John H. Matteson, Jr. > > Systems Administrator/ITT Systems > > Forward Operating Base Orgun-E > > Afghanistan > > DSN - 318 431 8001 > > VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 > > Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 > > Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 > > > > > > *Molōn labe!* > > > > *From:* KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:13 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > SMORG | MORG | LORG = Small / Medium Org ~0-300 | Medium Org ~200-1000 | > Large Org >1000 > > BPOS = Business Productively Online Services I.e. Hosted Services > > > > And John, yes I am saying there will undercut the 10$ a box price if you > talk to the right people. Connection is MAPI / HTTP over RPC via your Pipes. > The price of those pipes add up on cost, and greatly affect the numbers. . > The break even numbers are fun to work out and justify. > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:don....@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:57 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > Small Org? I don't know either! :P > > 2009/6/24 Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) < > john.matte...@afghan.swa.army.mil> > > SMORG's???? > > > > Okay, I know I've been out of touch way out here in the sandbox for the > last three years, but could someone point me in the direction of the > glossary of acronyms? Seems there have been a number of changes since I left > civilization. > > > > John H. Matteson, Jr. > > Systems Administrator/ITT Systems > > Forward Operating Base Orgun-E > > Afghanistan > > DSN - 318 431 8001 > > VoSIP - (308) 431 - 0000 > > Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 > > Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 > > > > > > *Molōn labe!* > > > > *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@owa.smithcons.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:57 AM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > I can't think that anyone is scared that "Exchange will go away". I think > that a number of vendors are concerned that Microsoft is pushing - really > hard - SMORGs to the cloud. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Louis, Joe [jlo...@guardianalarm.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:50 PM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > Naw. Different CC. > > > > I'm curious though as to what 3rd party Exchange vendors think about this > article. None of the ones that I deal with are scaling back on their > offerings on the fear that Google/Cloud computing will replace Exchange. > Stu? > > > > *From:* Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:45 PM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > If you mean *M*CC, then yes. J > > > > *From:* Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:37 PM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > OCC the school? > > > > *From:* Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe.poched...@fivesgroup.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:35 PM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > I too find it hard to believe that Gmail would be replacing Exchange in any > organization that really uses Exchange for more than passing email messages > back and forth... Gmail just doesn't have the same feature set yet... > > > > I use gmail to host my own personal domain and I have a number of friends > who do too. The main reason I went with Google is because it was free. The > ads aren't intrusive, so I can deal with them. > > > > I wouldn't be surprised if my domain and theirs were counted in the 1.75 > million businesses who are using Google apps.. how do they know I'm not a > business? So, the number may be accurate as far as Google's counting on the > number of group "domains" but it still likely doesn't provide the whole > picture. > > > > I can confirm that Google is offering their service for free to schools. I > have a friend who's an admin at a community college in Michigan that just > moved all their student's email accounts over to gmail... No cost to the > college. > > > > > > *From:* Louis, Joe [mailto:jlo...@guardianalarm.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:06 PM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > I just find it hard to believe that Google will be replacing Exchange at > the corporate end. While that may be their goal, they've been saying that > for many years. The same holds true for the MS Office "cloud" model. > > > > Where they are making inroads are at a number of public schools, colleges, > etc that are using Google email brand (but still buying Office). They are > replacing *Nix mail platforms and Netware. Of the ones I can think of, none > of them had Exchange. And I'm sure the schools are getting a huge break on > it (if not for free). > > > > Gmail is great. Not only has it been convenient, but it's been free. I also > don't think that Gmail would be nearly as popular as it is if there was a > cost to the end user. > > > > *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:24 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > "Around 1.75 million businesses are using Google Apps"? 1.75 million USERS > I would believe, not businesses. > > > > Exchange in your local shop may be doomed, MS wants you to buy it as a > cloud service too. > > > > It was only a matter of time before somebody came up with reasonable > competition. > > > > Carl > > > > *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:rwri...@evatone.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:01 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Is Exchange Doomed? > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10260879-2.html > > > > > > > > Roger Wright > > Network Administrator > > Evatone, Inc. > > 727.572.7076 x388 > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
