Kirill, Think you haven't got through the "hussles" of UK immigration since mid 80s, and you never would, as you chose some sidekick ways to sort out your personal visa issues, rather than go through the lengthy but wisdom way to do legal booziness, and your choice for doing that is here. I mean, with the attitide you have you may work out your expatriation in this country, but not in an "educated" environment.
If you ever be there for an employment you would see even more discrimination. Not to say about customs ;) But, if you are employed in UK, you may afford to spend some of the pounds to get a legal support, hopefully or by the willingness to do that. I see you chose not to spend a penny in Russia for doing good thingies. Over that, I would share experience that any kind of an entity working in Russia tries to go an unusual and sidekick way. Why for the Lord noone here does nothing to read the instructions from the FMS and be prepared to the hussle? Why for the ack problems come out unexpectedly? There is nothing unusual but read the laws and especially the agrrement between EU and Russia of 2007! Why for the ell we, Russians, have to obey the rules, and some expats don't? You tell me that you have to go various ways to get registration, bla-bla-bla - which of these was legal? Why you did not say thay you want to be cleared off legally and not at your expenses... Who would protest that if you are the king in media? (What I remember then is the TNK-BP quarrel). Why don't you come to Pokrovka 42? All Chinese are there and do things quietly and every day. Why your company does not take responScibility of you to help you there? The law is simple: the company you are employed with takes care of your presence there at the legal adress, medical care, terms of your stay and emigration if you violate the laws. If the company or you rents an apartment for you to live in, then the company or your tenAnt provides the LEGAL ADDRESS registration. Is this clear? Why should you chose the "cheap" or "inexpensive" way to get the penny saved when you have to pay pounds (sovereigns) after to find a safe "escape"? Who the ell tells you you may break through the rules, even laws? Never complain if you broke the rules. I remember one idiot straight after the 1991 putch who decided to stay longer than the visa and said rules have changed (wrongly) and he was arrested in S2 and stayed there two weeks until we found him out and paid the fine and let him out. Even then, immigration worked well despite all of the collapse in the system. Do you really want not to be let in for 5 years? Now then, can you afford that? Please, take care, and never complain that your experience is bad. It was wrong, and this is simply because you thought and still think corruption may help you here... And, you still owe a drink to my sister who helped you. Give her a call at least.. PS This was only my mersonal humble opinion resulting from the experience I have from what I had and have still and this does not imply.... Whatever the right words whould be there... I tried to speak out in simple language... PPS I really don't know how to help, all my invited visitors, boozinessmen and friends do receive my personal advises how to avoid "hussles" and... bullocks, and I even give them the introductory lessons how to survive in Moscow, Russia and especially in metro. PPSS Sorry for mess, this was a sudden cry out, but really why noone does take care before the problems come? Finally, I did want not to send this to the list... Then was my sudden decision to do ;) Sincerely, Sergey Orlov, Marketing Director, Electronintorg SP, No telephones this time... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kirill Galetski Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:17 AM To: Бургхардт Дэвид Адам Cc: The Moscow Expat List Subject: Expat List Visa registration in Russia David, Ahhh, but if only life was so simple! In theory, what you say is the way it should be, but this being Russia, in practice, it is not. I had been in Russia "legally" the whole 10 years that I lived there, and I never had the companies I was working for register me. The powers that be make it so much of a pain in the ass that most companies don't bother. To give you two examples: Work visa: I used to work at a Russian news agency that is not the one you work for and that will stay unnamed (at least in this public e-mail) and even though this is a Russian resident legal entity, they employed their foreigners through a subsidiary registered in the Isle of Man, so there was no way to have the foreign employees registered through the company. Everybody had to do it through their landlord, and this presented tremendous problems for me, since my landlady lives in the U.S. She would visit Russia every so often, but at inopportune times when I was already registered through other channels. Visa agencies wouldn't register my visa since it was a work visa, so I had to resort to some creative means to get myself registered. I was then registered successfully. If you're interested in how I did it, you can e-mail me off list, but the way I did it wouldn't work under the current registration regime. Jouranlist visa: I then decided I'd had enough and went to get a journalist visa through a trade magazine I was writing for, because I'd heard that journalist visas were easier in terms of some things. In terms of some things, they are, e.g. as a U.S. citizen you can still get them at any Russian embassy, not just U.S. ones or select ones with hassles (U.K., Ukraine). In terms of registration, it was easier, however, in order for the company I was working for to register me, i.e. the trade magazine, it had to have a legal presence (registration, an office) in Russia, which this particular trade magazine did not -- I was its sole correspondent in Russia. I had to find all this out piecemeal on my own, as my curator at the foreign ministry press office didn't know jack shit, and I even had to pay a 2000-ruble fine because of him, because he sent me to the migration service foolishly conjecturing that they would register the visa (the foreign ministry press office doesn't register their own bloody visas, go and figure, and now I know that the migration service doesn't either) when they said Op! You're unregistered, pay the fine! I then went to Go to Russia and they registered my visa practically no questions asked, although the last couple of times, they did so "so skripom" as they say in Russian. I don't know if this is still anything like the '90s, but I do know that a good saying about Russia is the more things change, the more they stay the same.The Russian legal environment still unfortunately makes doing many things the legal way excrutiatingly difficult or impossible. All I can say, David, is thank your lucky stars that you never had the hassles. A lot of people did and some still do. Kirill. E-mail: [email protected] Home: +49 (0)30 67 92 58 58 Office: +49 (0)30 28 87 58 72 Mobile: +49 (0)152 23 66 68 96 Skype: kirill.galetski -----Original Message----- From: Бургхардт Дэвид Адам <[email protected]> To: "Kirill Galetski" <[email protected]>,"The Moscow Expat List" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:48:38 +0400 Subject: RE: Expat List business visa registration > The question always comes to mind...if you're here legally, then you don't need to go through the hassle. Your company is obliged to register you, not your landlady. I've lived here for 15 years and have never had to do mad searches to live here legally. If you're here on business, then just do it right...it's not the 90s any more folks! > > David Burghardt > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kirill > Galetski > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Expat List business visa registration > > Hi Sean, > > I used to have the same problem all the time when I lived in Russia. > > I know how it's still a pain in the ass to ask your Russian friends to register you. > > I've used two different agencies to do registration of a business visa. > > Visa link were usually pretty good for registering business visas that weren't initiated by them: > > http://www.visalink-russia.com/ > > I also used Go to Russia when my visa was not a business visa, but a journalist visa initiated through the foreign ministry press office (which Visalink couldn't register) : > > http://www.gotorussia.com/about_us_directions.htm > > Both agencies were reliable in handling the registration, and the fees were 1400 rubles and 1800 rubles respectively when I did it. Could be more now, so check directly with them before you go. > > Hope this helps. > > Kirill. > > Regards, > Kirill Galetski, > Russian-English, German-English translator. > > E-mail: [email protected] > Home: +49 (0)30 67 92 58 58 > Office: +49 (0)30 28 87 58 72 > Mobile: +49 (0)152 23 66 68 96 > Skype: kirill.galetski > > http://kirillgaletski.language123.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:02:38 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Sean McMeekin <[email protected]> > > Subject: Expat List business visa registration? > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > Does anyone know of an agency which will register a delovaia visa, no questions asked? Last time I was in Moscow (2005) there was some quickie agency which sprung up in the Tsentralnaia gostinitsa on Tverskaya to do this, but apparently this old classic 'hotel' no longer exists. My issuing agency is asking for a landlord declaration, etc., which I cannot really get. > > > > I can always resort to asking one of several Russian friends to register me personally as a guest at the post office or police, but I would rather not ask for this sort of favor if I don't have to. All I need is for the V'ezd card to be stamped. If anyone knows an agency which will do this, please let me know. Thanks. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Expat mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat > http://www.expat.ru/forum/ > _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/ _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/
