Hi, I have decided to have a play with zope but have run into difficulties. Some time ago I stopped zope as a service using linuxconf as I was not using it. I have just downloaded the latest "hotfix" using MandrakeUpdate which has installed ok. However if I issue a "service zope start" or use linuxconf to start it, zserver and zwatchdog die within seconds. This was also the case before applying the hotfix updates. The logs give little in the way of a clue. Has someone run into this problem before or is there a way of turning on more verbose logging? The manuals/tutorials are apparently served up by the zope server which is not running which is a great help! If no one can help here I will try the zope mail lists, but as this is a Mandrake 7.2 package install, the chances are better someone here has had a similar problem and solved it. BillK ### log entry for a startup attempt Traceback (innermost last): File "z2.py", line 554, in ? exec "import "+MODULE in {} File "<string>", line 1, in ? File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py", line 95, in ? import Globals, OFS.Application, sys File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 91, in ? import Globals,Folder,os,sys,App.Product, App.ProductRegistry, misc_ File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/App/Product.py", line 118, in ? from HelpSys.HelpSys import ProductHelp File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/__init__.py", line 87, in ? import HelpSys File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpSys.py", line 93, in ? import HelpTopic File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpTopic.py", line 95, in ? class HelpTopicBase: File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpTopic.py", line 116, in HelpTopicBase permissions_values=ComputedAttribute(_permissions_values, 1) TypeError: too many arguments; expected 2, got 3 ###It appears line 116 received too many parameters, but who or what caused it?