Pierre Fortin wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:47:02 -0800 Rolf Pedersen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pierre Fortin wrote:
What it's like trying to update 9.0 over a modem... or why I complain
about issues that will cause potential users to not adopt Mdk... :^(
I can't do justice to the totality of the underlying issue of your post,
however, I wonder if you know of the workaround when rpmdrake gets
corrupted from a bad shutdown or other:
rm any /var/lib/rpm/__db.00*
rpm --rebuilddb
Yes, I do.... BUT.... how does this differ from M$' "reboot your system"
approach?
Not trying to defend the status quo; just trying to publish a little
info that can be helpful to get someone going who has fallen into this
particular pit. There is, for me, a level of discomfort in using
Mandrake that, IMO, arises from the rate of change of a majority of the
components that constitute the distro, from kernel to filesystem. These
changes, driven not only by a need for improvement but also by
nearly-daily changes in the hardware it must support, appear to me to be
an inevitable part of the foreseeable future. The collateral damage of
these changes can only be addressed one-by-one and usually not in the
first, or with many, attempts. Not disputing the validity of your
complaint. Just not aware of any ready solution.
My point is that there is a LOT of Mdk code that "just works" when there
are no errors... let something happen outside that "perfect space" and
all hell breaks loose... To wit, all my updates over DSL went fine; doing
the exact same steps over a modem... (see original post)
I came to Linux (and Mandrake) years ago because things got fixed; now it
seems that everything is only being made to work in the "perfect space" in
order to pump out the most candy, anything else is thrown into the
"reboot" bucket... That's what I'm complaining about and that's what IMO
is the core problem with why Mdk is not getting market share as fast as it
could... Heck... the mere fact that I'm reconsidering my choice of distro
is deeply troubling to me -- I hate the idea going back to RH; but if RH
proves to me that their error recovery works, then it will mean that while
RH may not have all the eye-candy Mdk does, the choice will be between
which distro "sucks less" IMO:
Mdk -- too many errors that are ignored...
RH -- less candy; but it works...
Guess which will get picked at this rate...
I can't be the only one that thinks like this... If I am, then Mdk's
future is not assured IMO...
Pierre
PS: There were a number of problems for which there is no recovery in my
post, and this morning, MU claims everything is up-to-date while
"rpm -qa | grep kde" gives:
# rpm -qa | grep kde
kdev_htdig-1.1-2mdk
kdepim-3.0.3-4mdk
kdegraphics-3.0.5a-1.1mdk
kdetoys-3.0.3-3mdk
kdeadmin-3.0.5a-1.1mdk
kdemultimedia-3.0.3-7mdk
kdebase-3.0.3-68mdk
kdesdk-3.0.3-5mdk
kdebase-devel-3.0.3-68mdk
kdelibs-devel-3.0.3-30.1mdk
kdegames-3.0.3-7mdk
kdenetwork-3.0.3-15.1mdk
kdeutils-3.0.3-6mdk
kdemultimedia-devel-3.0.3-7mdk
kdelibs-3.0.3-30.1mdk
kdebase-nsplugins-3.0.3-68mdk
kde-i18n-en_GB-3.0.3-2mdk
kdenetwork-devel-3.0.3-15.1mdk
kdevelop-2.1.3-6mdk
I *know*... reboo^H^Huild.... :^P
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