--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> My experiences are like yours: nothing in terms of powers.  
sometimes energy up the 
> spine during "hopping" 

That's the kundalini energy.

>and usually a feeling of inner silence, quiet and of being cleansed 
> after the whole thing.  Mostly profound silence.  Like I feel after 
doing an hour and a half 
> of yoga, only the siddhis feel less physical.
> 
> I think we have to distinguish between the dangers of feeling good 
from a spiritiual 
> practice, and the dangers of feeling good from other life 
experiences. Also, Is feeling good 
> dangerous becauseyou get attached?  Or is it a lure toward joy, 
from which it is might be 
> easier to make the leap to pure consciousness?  Does n't joy chagne 
the physiology so that 
> the leap is easier?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Setting aside the texts for a moment, what are 
> > peoples' experiences with the TM-Siddhi 
> > program? It seems whacky to debate a text, 
> > however learned, when we have such a large 
> > cohort of people who've practiced the techniques 
> > for decades. I'm thinking we could evaluate them 
> > for ourselves, based on our own knowledge.
> > 
> > For myself, I can't confess to any powers from 
> > the siddhis, other than the hopping stuff, but 
> > they do seem to do just what I was told they'd 
> > do: solidify the presence of silent consciousness.
> > 
> > What are other people getting?
> > 
> >  - Patrick Gillam
> > 
> > > On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:18 AM, wayback71 wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What do the Shankaracharyas say?  Who is
> > > > Vidyaranya?
> > > 
> > > Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > Vidyaranya was one of the most eminent Shankaracharyas. He was 
the 12th 
> > > jagadguru of the Sringiri seat. His text on the attainment of 
Cosmic 
> > > Consciousness is still the standard among yogis today. That's 
why is it 
> > > so significant on what he says of the siddhis and samyama--if 
you are 
> > > interested in enlightenment that is.
> > > 
> > > > Is it possible that the siddhis are really about making the 
relative, 
> > > > subjective aspect of the
> > > > individual a better, kinder and more skilled human being  - 
so that 
> > > > when they do reach
> > > > CC, they aren't a nasty, unpleasant, unkind Enlightened 
person?
> > > 
> > > Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > Vidyaranya would disagree. You would more likely become either 
> > > egocentric or a collector of subtle experiences. These 
experiences 
> > > would come and go and not lead to a permanent state of higher 
> > > consciousness.





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