On May 19, 2005, at 1:20 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:

> 'Effortless' is relative after all. And compared to that form of zen
> meditation where the master strikes the student to maintain
> mindfulness, and some other techniques, TM could be considered
> effortless, though I'll agree once the practitioner is advanced
> enough, more effortless techniques can probably be found, though from
> my experience I am speculating...

IME Zen is more effortless than TM since one does nothing with mind. 
It's a very "bare" attention, no intention per se. I particularly liked 
their walking meditation....what a great way to integrate.



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